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Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Needing to get down (from Basel area) to Genoa, Italy on Friday evening (ferry at 2030) and looking at routes, trying to work out if it's worthwhile taking the slightly shorter route via Gotthard & Milan or if either of those are likely to cause big traffic problems.

I'm guessing that we'd be planning to pass Gotthard at around 1500 and Milan a couple of hours later - rush hour time, perhaps - allowing for a bit of contingency time.

The alternative route via Grand St. Bernard skirts most towns, apart from Bern (but that's a known factor for us) so is perhaps more reliable, but what are the likely risks of the shorter option, given that it's high holiday season?
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I have done that route few times and around Milan you won't be going anywhere quickly. .. leave early morning
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Old 08.07.2015, 15:46
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I have done that route few times and around Milan you won't be going anywhere quickly. .. leave early morning
I wish. Meetings until 1100. Yes, I've done most of this in different bits myself, on bike and car, which is why I'm asking how bad it's likely to be at that time.
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

It gets better late in the day too. I went through Gotthard a few weeks ago at 21:00 friday evening and it was only about 20 min queue...
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I went through at 1400 last Friday and it was also 20 minutes. Milan will kill you but you may take the route past Varese on the new bypass towards Malpensa and hack on from there. It is usually flowing as long as you miss the Milano ring road.

Leave at 1101.
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Don't forget that school holidays start for much of the Zurich area on Friday afternoon...
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

I would drive the route Basel Bern Aosta valley

It is 547Km and takes nearly 7 hours

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I would drive the route Basel Bern Aosta valley

It is 547Km and takes nearly 7 hours
Yes, that was my Gd. St. Bernard alternative. Google maps, my preferred routing website, gives a range of journey times, currently reading 5 h 50 min - 6 h 50 min for an 1130 departure on that route, or 5 h 20 min - 6 h 30 min via Gotthard, but I just feel like there's more risk with the latter.
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Last Friday at the start of the Holidays there was surprisingly only a 30min wait at around 19:00 when I got there, so still quicker then San Bernadino (which also has at least 3 mobile speed cameras from Chur onwards)


On the way back on Sunday it was 2 hours...(Due to a closure for a breakdown)

I normally just keep checking the TCS app to see and then take the gamble

Also 3 weeks ago on a Friday evening Milan to Genoa was pretty easy about 1.5hours.. the same on the way back on the Sunday took 2.5..
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Thanks everyone, I think I've heard enough. Only 20 or 30 minutes wait at the Gotthard sounds like 20 or 30 minutes I could ill afford, so I'll be avoiding it. The other way is nicer anyway, and also avoids Milan.

Hadn't even thought about the Bernadino, starting from Basel as I am.
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

The route over Bernardino is better in many ways:
- you avoid Gothard
- you avoid traffic jams around Milano (30-50 km around the city)
- you don't get close to Torino to fall into traffic jams around it
- you get directly on E25 to Genoa that is much faster than the old E62. Avoid that one, is an old highway, narrow and full of curves, I think (not sure) the southbound is from Mussolini times, northbound is little newer and better.

You can still have two bottlenecks: Bernardino, and from where E25 connects to coastal highway E80 to Genoa.
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

aside from gotthard and milano on friday from lugano nord to chiasso is crazy, and even if you cut through varese there's the queue at customs. one accident and you lose 1 hour easy.
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The route over Bernardino is better in many ways:
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You can still have two bottlenecks: Bernardino, and from where E25 connects to coastal highway E80 to Genoa.
i think you mean gran san bernardo not sn bernardino
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yes sorry, my mistake
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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

We did Lucerne-Milano couple of Fridays back thru Gotthard and spent 45 minutes waiting. And going into Milan in peak traffic hours was also not much fun. I wouldn't be doing it again in a hurry. The misery was complete when I got clicked by a camera on one of the tunnels on the way back. Awaiting my first speeding ticket now 😞.

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Re: Friday traffic Gotthard/Milan

Go through the Gotthard and then via a26 avoiding Milan completely, very quiet motorway that comes out a little to the west of Genoa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A26_(Italy)
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Go through the Gotthard and then via a26 avoiding Milan completely, very quiet motorway that comes out a little to the west of Genoa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrada_A26_(Italy)
I took this on that same Friday by driving through Gaggiolo, bypassing Chiasso and Milan. I believe I saved a couple of hours to the sea.
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I took this on that same Friday by driving through Gaggiolo, bypassing Chiasso and Milan. I believe I saved a couple of hours to the sea.
Here it says it is about 30 mins longer but not taking into account all the traffic and mad drivers who often cause accident with tailbacks via Milan way, I took this last friday to Cannes and very little traffic and stress, also scenic, runs north to south and once on it hard to go wrong, here:
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