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Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

Hi,

I have been wanting to learn to fly in Lausanne (or Geneva) for a long time, but I've been unsure of multiple things such as schools, costs and minimum ages in Switzerland? I believe I'm too young to get a PPL (I'm under 17. 17 is the minimum age to get one in the US and UK, so I doubt it's any lower in Switzerland). Therefore, I'm just looking for lessons and will probably get an EASA-PPL in 1.5-2 years.
I'd just like to know the general costs of flight lessons in Switzerland, minimum ages for flight lessons, solo-ing, and getting a PPL.
If you don't mind, it would be great if you could recommend a flight school as I'm unsure about which one would be best. I have checked what I should look for in a flight school and criteria I need to look at while choosing a flight school. However, I do not know which flight schools have a good reputation.

I've read that the costs are 13-18k on other threads, but those are for getting PPLs.

(While I've read books, read aviation news, occasionally go plane-spotting, and am a flight simmer, I'm not very knowledgeable on qualifications and courses.)

Since I'm not very knowledgeable on courses, could you please also tell me if I'm choosing an inappropriate course/qualification or if there is something more suitable.

Appreciate your help.

Thank you in advance.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

If you need training to hijack airliners, you might want to look at FlightSafety in Florida. They trained most of the 9/11 hijackers.

Plan to stay away from Pan-Am International Flight Academy in Minnesota. The 19th hijacker was training there and was turned over to the FBI.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

You should talk to these people. They should be able to answer all of your questions. Hopefully you have some French.

http://www.gvm.ch/
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

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If you need training to hijack airliners, you might want to look at FlightSafety in Florida. They trained most of the 9/11 hijackers.

Plan to stay away from Pan-Am International Flight Academy in Minnesota. The 19th hijacker was training there and was turned over to the FBI.
No, I don't.
I'm not sure if you intended to be humorous, but I'm going to assume here that you didn't.
I've been an enthusiast since a young age. The reason I wrote that I read books etcetera is because I just wanted to make sure the replies were not aimed for complete beginners who wanted to start from scratch.

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You should talk to these people. They should be able to answer all of your questions. Hopefully you have some French.

http://www.gvm.ch/
Thanks.
I googled this website, but don't speak French very well (I'm still learning). I just wanted to see if there were any other resources. I didn't know that they were such a comprehensive resource.

Again, thank you very much - I'll check it out.

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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

My understanding from briefly reading into this subject for myself is:

The schools I looked at typically involve a course of ground study (law, aircraft flight and function, navigation, weather, and others), before one sets foot in an aircraft. Time in the aircraft is expensive (largely for fuel costs), so it makes sense to learn everything possible in the classroom format, and then practice the skills in the aircraft.

This is a thought, as you may have this amount of time to embark on learning, before some of the most significant costs come in, to see how you like it. Additionally, this will give you time to practice your French, as the instruction materials are likely to be in this language.

Even though English is an accepted language for pilots worldwide (any plane landing in an international airport can use English to communicate, as well as the native language in the country), you will need to pass written, practical, and oral tests given in an official language of Switzerland.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

You should probably focus on learning French first.

Here is what you need to know:
http://www.aeroformation.ch/Licence-complete-PPL.html

The PPL is more expensive than the LAPL(A)
http://www.aeroformation.ch/Cout-des-formations.html

Here is the Federal Office of Civil Aviation site, in English. Just remember tHey don't always have all the information translated into English.
http://www.bazl.admin.ch/index.html?lang=en
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My understanding from briefly reading into this subject for myself is:

The schools I looked at typically involve a course of ground study (law, aircraft flight and function, navigation, weather, and others), before one sets foot in an aircraft. Time in the aircraft is expensive (largely for fuel costs), so it makes sense to learn everything possible in the classroom format, and then practice the skills in the aircraft.

This is a thought, as you may have this amount of time to embark on learning, before some of the most significant costs come in, to see how you like it. Additionally, this will give you time to practice your French, as the instruction materials are likely to be in this language.

Even though English is an accepted language for pilots worldwide (any plane landing in an international airport can use English to communicate, as well as the native language in the country), you will need to pass written, practical, and oral tests given in an official language of Switzerland.
I'm slightly involved in aviation.. official exams Inc other paperwork are in english. practical tests also but if you both speak the language then obviously the language will change.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

Check out Blecherette (Airport of Lausanne...)

Another option maybe in Bex or Chateau d'Oex/Gruyeres
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

Hi,

a little while back I went through the process to earn a JAR-PPL in Switzerland. I did flight training and ground school in the Zurich area. My most important takeaway: It was one of the best things I have ever done! Lots of fun Do it.

About regulations: JAR is the most recent set of regulations for everything around aviation in Europe, and Switzerland adopted most of it. You can find the official documents on the internet. The part about airplane pilots licenses is JAR-FCL 1. If you have trouble sleeping read http://easa.europa.eu/system/files/d...-JAR-FCL-1.pdf . However, Switzerland made some modifications. Official Swiss documents are on the BAZL homepage at http://www.bazl.admin.ch/experten/au...x.html?lang=de in DE/FR/IT. If you want to know anything specific, just ask and I will translate for you.

There is no minimum age for starting flight training, you just have to be 16 on your first solo flight (http://www.bazl.admin.ch/experten/au..._JjKbNoKSn6A-- in German).

Costs are higher in Switzerland than say in the U.S., mainly because maintenance and fuel costs are high. You can expect to pay somewhere around 180 to 300 Franks for one hour of being in the air, plus maybe 70 to 100 Franks for an instructor. They usually charge handshake to handshake, think maybe 1.5 times the time you are actually flying. You will need a minimum of 45 hours flight instruction including a minimum of 10 hours solo with the instructor on the radio. Only very few people make it in minimum time, think maybe 55 hours. Or 5 more if you want to be checked out on a second type of aircraft besides your training aircraft.

Then there are costs for ground school, somewhere around 1500, voice classes for another 1000, landing fees, all kinds of official fees, books, flight bag, etc. Let me know if you need more details, I should have a complete list of what I paid somewhere. The grand total will likely be somewhere between 20 and 30 kCHF.

While costs may look high, there is nothing quite like flying in Switzerland. You can take off in bright summer sunlight and have a snow capped mountain out your left window 15 minutes later. Crossing glacier fields and deep blue lakes between the mountains is breathtaking. Fly from Zurich across the Gotthard pass for a pizza in Locarno in less than one hour. And take your friends with you. I think it is worth every single Rappen

What to do next: Go fly with someone. Do the flight preparations, route planning, weather research, and aircraft preflight together. See and feel what it is like. You can just walk up to your local field on a sunny Saturday and ask around if you can join someone. Pilots always want to go fly. Expect to pay your share of the aircraft rent, maybe 50 or 100 Franks. Or find someone in the forum...

Then, call up several flight schools and schedule introductory flights. They cost maybe 200 or 300 Franks. Picking a flight school can be tough, but I would go with gut feeling first. Take a good look at the fleet. Do the aircraft look well maintained? Having a mechanic at the field is a plus. Being close to you is another plus, you will travel there many times. Ask an instructor anything you want to know. Make a cost and time estimate with him. Talk to other students and pilots. Set your budget both in time and money. Then go for it.

I hope this helps a little. Ask if you want to know more.

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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

Oh I forgot one thing. Check out the best flight training podcast ever: Jason Miller's Finer Points of Flying podcast. Homepage at https://www.learnthefinerpoints.com/ . Podcast RSS at http://tfpaviation.libsyn.com/rss .

Lots of information about flight training, picking a flight school, making training affordable, and more.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

Here's another good source of info, on how it all works: http://eagleflight.co.za/
It is an international flight academy in South Africa, where pilots from abroad can stay for a block at a time, to do the next module(s). Trainees come from various countries to learn there, because the costs are lower, and thereafter do top-up courses, such as are necessary, in the specific other countries in which they then want their licence recognised.
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Re: Learning to fly in Lausanne (or possibly Geneva)

I had asked a pilot friend of mine about starting my PPL quest, in English. He had given the following info which you might find useful:

Instructor: ADAM, Jean-Luc 079 66 88 727 jla@email-factory.com
He teaches in English for Theory and Practice

· Introductory flight: cost 100.- CHF, in Yverdon. You will sit in the pilot seat and have your first opportunity to fly with your instructor and ask all the questions about the Private Pilot Licence. Contact him for an appointment.

· Theory in English: Fly 7 Executive Aviation SA, Route du Châtelard 54B, CH-1018 Lausanne
Tel. +41 21 648 21 41
info@fly7.ch
www.fly7.ch

· Practice: at Air-Club Yverdon on Tecnam, Piper Cub and Robin
http://www.air-club-yverdon.ch
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