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First of all, it's probably three days, rather than one. 100 CHF=1day. More or less.
And AFAIK, if you can actually pay the fine, you can't just choose to go to prison.
You'd need to let the slip expire, wait for the Betreibung, let that expire too and wait a couple of more months probably. All the while the outstanding amount grows with every court it goes through....
At least, that's what I get from comments on tagi.ch and 20min.ch about this subject.
The letter said one day but I think I am not willing to go into the struggle you describe. It just takes a while to accept the fact I have to pay 300chf for biking on a 100CHF bike

Thanks for the info though.
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I got my explanation.
The question was answered. The topic is closed. For those of you who tried to be helpful, thank you a lot. It feels slightly better to know why it is so much.

Good bye.
The fact that you think a topic is "closed" and a question "answered" is quite often irrelevant on a forum, because by broaching a subject you opened the subject to discussion. Otherwise, why post it on a forum in the first place? There's a difference between "ask question - get answer" and "post on a forum - start discussion", and EF is a place for the latter.
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Old 28.08.2015, 07:08
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I have gotten my fair share of speeding tickets for my car that were all under 286 chf. So yes, I think the ticket plus processing fee you received was disproportionate. Even though you may have deserved a ticket, I'd be annoyed too by the amount compared to what is dished out to people driving 1500+ kg autos traveling well over speed limits.
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And my offending post was rather weak, I didn't get my monies worth on it

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Hey st2lemans, after 3 years and 120 posts you took my "groan" virginity!

And my offending post was rather weak, I didn't get my monies worth on it

Gloves are off now. I may turn into a "groan" seeking lush and burn this place to the ground.

But I probably won't; can't change a tiger's stripes and all of that. Or can I?
I wouldn't get too excited. St2lemans' groans are like Weimar Deutschmarks.
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I wouldn't get too excited. St2lemans' groans are like Weimar Deutschmarks.
In fairness his thanks are even more freely given
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Old 28.08.2015, 08:37
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Re: Fine for biking

to that video & the a*hole did even stop??
My toddler got smacked into by a stupid bitch on a bike going too fast down hill, towards a herd of little ones (with parents) right next to the lollipop lady. Anyone should have had the sense to slow down or stop. Kid went flying backwards & only just missed hitting his head on the wall by a couple of centimeters. She stopped - I freaked (in English as I lose my French when I am angry). I hope she learned to be a little less stupid in future. Luckily kid just had a nasty bruise on his head. Lollipop lady said it was probably more effective that I had screamed in English. Everyone around understood - not the words maybe but my opinion on the subject.
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In fairness his thanks are even more freely given
Forum rules should not allow someone to freely groan and thank every post they see. It's just pollution and it takes away the whole concept. St2lemans should be put on a diet.
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shouldn't this fit in the thread "Swiss rules you love to brake" ?
I see what you did there
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The letter said one day but I think I am not willing to go into the struggle you describe. It just takes a while to accept the fact I have to pay 300chf for biking on a 100CHF bike

Thanks for the info though.
Fun is not over yet.

Does the letter from the court alos say it was forwarded as CC to an other authority like the Strassenverkehrsamd, Amt für Administrativmasnahmen etc? Means you can look forward to a two year warning on your driving license, and guess what else: Another bill for other fees in the range of CHF 200.
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:16
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Because your offence is not on the list of simple fines which could be handed out by the police:
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html

There was no other option for the police. Sorry.
Now this is when you know someone has been here for too long. There was plenty of other options for the police. They could have recorded this as a different sort of offence that warrented a smaller fine. Or, better still, they could have given a warning with the threat of a fine if caught again.

It's a shit thing to be riding a bike with only one brake but it can hardly be compared with speeding in a 30 zone.
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It's a shit thing to be riding a bike with only one brake but it can hardly be compared with speeding in a 30 zone.
exactly. driving with no brakes is more dangerous.
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:30
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There was plenty of other options for the police. They could have recorded this as a different sort of offence that warrented a smaller fine. Or, better still, they could have given a warning with the threat of a fine if caught again.
O.k. the tell me which of the offences on the official price list they could have used instead? Not having a bell?

About warning. OP got caught red handed, only one break {strike one} (not allowed, two independent brakes are needed, why?), only existing break in non working condition {strike two} (see why a backup is a good thing), even knowing so and still not fixed but riding and finally nearly running over someone {strike three}.

Three strikes and you are out.
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:39
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O.k. the tell me which of the offences on the official price list they could have used instead? Not having a bell?
Exactly, who's going to know other than the police handing out the fine? A fine for having no lights or something like this. 300 chf is just a joke.

The police here just seem incapable of applying any sense of proportion to a situation. I know a guy that got a fine for cycling with no hands. What sort of gloryhole bastard would hand a fine out for that?
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The police here just seem incapable of applying any sense of proportion to a situation. I know a guy that got a fine for cycling with no hands. What sort of gloryhole bastard would hand a fine out for that?
compare it to using your phone while driving
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:43
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compare it to using your phone while driving
lol. Whatever.
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:44
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I'd be annoyed too by the amount compared to what is dished out to people driving 1500+ kg autos traveling well over speed limits.
Cars travelling in dedicated spaces that pedestrians are only allowed temporarily and with strict regulations (on a crossing, many times with lights, etc)

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I asked for an explanation why my fine is so crazy high, especially comparing it to a speeding fine for a car:
At an impact speed of more than 60 km/h the chance of survival of pedestrian hit by a car is less than 1%. Generally known fact, thats why the speed limit is 50, chance to survive is 30%.
Again, cars don't mix with pedestrians, and when they do they go 20, or 30kph, and they can stop well within a car's length (about 5m on dry pavement).

So yeah, a car doing 80 in downtown ZH is much less dangerous than a guy doing 20 with no brakes on the sidewalk
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Exactly, who's going to know other than the police handing out the fine? A fine for having no lights or something like this. 300 chf is just a joke.

The police here just seem incapable of applying any sense of proportion to a situation. I know a guy that got a fine for cycling with no hands. What sort of gloryhole bastard would hand a fine out for that?
Exactly!!

Society would function so much better if we could choose 5 laws which we didn't have to obey.
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Old 28.08.2015, 10:58
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Exactly!!

Society would function so much better if we could choose 5 laws which we didn't have to obey.
No problem with the law, just with how it's applied!
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Exactly, who's going to know other than the police handing out the fine? A fine for having no lights or something like this. 300 chf is just a joke.
1. The fine is only CHF 90.
2. A court fee of CHF 200 is totally bonkers.
3. Here, once again, the list https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html
4. No lights in broad daylight? Speak about bending the law and how it is applied.
5. Applying the given law arbitrary and randomly leads to despotism.
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