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How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

I have a copy of the grey card. Is there a way to check this based on Stammnummer before i buy a car? Thank you.
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Re: How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

verifiy the "Typenschein" field. If import it has an X at the end:

"Importierte Fahrzeuge mit Typenschein X, bzw. dem Zusatz X (etwa 1P524X) im Fahrzeugausweis"
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verifiy the "Typenschein" field. If import it has an X at the end:

"Importierte Fahrzeuge mit Typenschein X, bzw. dem Zusatz X (etwa 1P524X) im Fahrzeugausweis"
Are you refering to "Typengenehmigung" (field 24)?

If so, mine has just an X there (and it is an import as I imported it).

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Re: How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

Make is one of the companies on this list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katego...eller_(Schweiz)
Or if it is a more modern car, on this list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katego...eller_(Schweiz)
(Some regard older Chevrolets as Swiss)



More serious. Item 24 Typengenehmigung. If it is 'X' or ending with X then it is an import. If its not 'X' then it is most likely a 'Swiss' (It is possible to get the original importers approval to use the corresponding Typennummer)
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Re: How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

thanks there's no X in that field so looks like it is an original Swiss Vehicle. Out of interest does that also mean that a dealer did not import it?

It's a bit of a minefield at the moment because imported cars look to be very good value at the moment.
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Re: How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

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Make is one of the companies on this list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katego...eller_(Schweiz)
Or if it is a more modern car, on this list: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katego...eller_(Schweiz)
(Some regard older Chevrolets as Swiss)



More serious. Item 24 Typengenehmigung. If it is 'X' or ending with X then it is an import. If its not 'X' then it is most likely a 'Swiss' (It is possible to get the original importers approval to use the corresponding Typennummer)
Interestingly, mine has the importer's approval certificate, and still says 'X'.

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thanks there's no X in that field so looks like it is an original Swiss Vehicle. Out of interest does that also mean that a dealer did not import it?

It's a bit of a minefield at the moment because imported cars look to be very good value at the moment.
I don't understand this 'I want original swiss car', keep in mind that ALL cars are imported, only difference is who imported it... Also, as you said, non official dealer imported ones can save you a lot of money (even up to 40%), do you really think you gain so much by the fact it was imported by official dealer into CH?? I don't get that... (ofcourse my car is imported non-officially as well and I do have X in field 'Typenschein')
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I don't understand this 'I want original swiss car', keep in mind that ALL cars are imported, only difference is who imported it... Also, as you said, non official dealer imported ones can save you a lot of money (even up to 40%), do you really think you gain so much by the fact it was imported by official dealer into CH?? I don't get that... (ofcourse my car is imported non-officially as well and I do have X in field 'Typenschein')
The difference is small, but for example if you get a car with an engine size not sold in CH you may not be able to use online systems for insurance quotes. And the garage may try to charge you more for servicing or parts.
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do you really think you gain so much by the fact it was imported by official dealer into CH?? I don't get that... (ofcourse my car is imported non-officially as well and I do have X in field 'Typenschein')
A potential buyer of a second hand car, can use this to lower the price of Typenschein X car
'Swiss' Toyotas for ex. have a 'nicer' front bumper which better match the small Swiss front license plate.
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A potential buyer of a second hand car, can use this to lower the price of Typenschein X car
'Swiss' Toyotas for ex. have a 'nicer' front bumper which better match the small Swiss front license plate.
Quite why anyone would pay more for an official one beats me, both made in the same factory on the same production line.
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Re: How to tell if a car is original "Swiss" or import

Thanks for the information. Agree it's not worth paying vastly more for a Swiss car, but a modest premium is ok with me as long as the car I'm buying is really a Swiss original. Prices in Switzerland have fallen a lot recently so the price difference seems smaller than I remember in 2011 when I imported my first car from Germany.
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The difference is small, but for example if you get a car with an engine size not sold in CH you may not be able to use online systems for insurance quotes. And the garage may try to charge you more for servicing or parts.
For insurance that might be true (don't know as my car has engine sold in CH) but it's not true for parts, those prices (at least at official dealerships) are set by automaker them self.
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there's no X in that field so looks like it is an original Swiss Vehicle.
Actually, not.

I just checked my second imported bike, no X, in fact it has exactly the same number as my Swiss version bike (one bought new in the US in '85, and imported by me in '87, the other a Swiss '86 that I bought used in '91).

So, X means imported, but no X does not mean 'not imported'.

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For insurance that might be true (don't know as my car has engine sold in CH) but it's not true for parts, those prices (at least at official dealerships) are set by automaker them self.
Actually both are true, from personal experience, which you don't have so I'm not sure why you are stating this.

The price of parts are set by the maker per country, only for those parts for vehicles sold in that country; my garage have added several extra charges for "non-standard" parts.

To be fair the charges were removed when I complained, as the part was actually identical even including the code - the garage had to order it under the wrong engine size to fit in the system, which I think triggered some automatic fee.

I've also had quotes from garages who have told me directly that work on non-standard vehicles will cost more, due to the effort involved in getting the parts.
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Quite why anyone would pay more for an official one beats me, both made in the same factory on the same production line.
Swiss things are better, it's well known here!
So far, (and it's true!) I have heard:
-Swiss car are betters (obviously. They have Swiss papers, they are better. Nevermind that they are produced in same location).
-Swiss wood is better than French wood (sure...no debate!)

-Swiss meat is better (Yes, the very same chickens who were raised in Hungary, passed the borders, slaughtered in Switzerland and got a sticker "Swiss Meat).

-Swiss workers are better (Yes, its a fact)

-Swiss work experience is better (yes, Microsoft office tools in Switzerland are better used)

-Swiss cheeses are better (yes. Another fact. Forget about lower grade cheeses from the world)

-Swiss Apricots (From Valais) are better. (Yes even the one imported from France and sold as "from Valais", their taste improve as soon as you put a Swiss sticker on it)

-Buying car parts in Switzerland garage are surely better than buying from abroad. (Yes again, no debate. Especially since the massive profit they take in between, it must be better part, even for imported parts).

Etc...

Bottom line, its really relevant to buy only an "original" Swiss car, it provides comfort to your brain, gives you wings and it will reduce the chances to have an accident by 46.762%. Facts.
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-Swiss wood is better than French wood (sure...no debate!)
Quite possibly it is, it really depends from where it is sourced. Alpine pine is of a considerably better quality than other pine - it grows a lot slower and produces a far "tighter" wood. Either treated or untreated its life expectancy outside is much longer.

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-Swiss meat is better (Yes, the very same chickens who were raised in Hungary, passed the borders, slaughtered in Switzerland and got a sticker "Swiss Meat).
Depends on the meat and the butcher. We have moved away from Swiss supermarket meat to a local butcher. Overall we pay about the same but the meat is guaranteed to be locally sourced and if required cured, and the quality if much much higher.

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-Swiss cheeses are better (yes. Another fact. Forget about lower grade cheeses from the world)
The cheese debate!! You'll find advocates for French, British and Swiss cheeses - so that one I'll leave

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-Buying car parts in Switzerland garage are surely better than buying from abroad. (Yes again, no debate. Especially since the massive profit they take in between, it must be better part, even for imported parts).
I have bought main dealer parts in Switzerland cheaper than in Germany. Many years ago I had to get hold of a solenoid for a boot lock for a 1995 Renault Laguna - the part was purchased in France for half the price that it was in Germany - and for the same price quoted in the UK!! Rip off Germany I say!!
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Did you buy it from this guy?


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Buying a car is a bit like making love to a beautiful woman...
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Buying a car is a bit like making love to a beautiful woman...
Cheaper and easier to find in Germany ?
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Quite possibly it is, it really depends from where it is sourced. Alpine pine is of a considerably better quality than other pine - it grows a lot slower and produces a far "tighter" wood. Either treated or untreated its life expectancy outside is much longer.


Depends on the meat and the butcher. We have moved away from Swiss supermarket meat to a local butcher. Overall we pay about the same but the meat is guaranteed to be locally sourced and if required cured, and the quality if much much higher.


The cheese debate!! You'll find advocates for French, British and Swiss cheeses - so that one I'll leave



I have bought main dealer parts in Switzerland cheaper than in Germany. Many years ago I had to get hold of a solenoid for a boot lock for a 1995 Renault Laguna - the part was purchased in France for half the price that it was in Germany - and for the same price quoted in the UK!! Rip off Germany I say!!
this is like dodgywolli
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