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"Switzerlanded" for winter tire change!

So I went to my usual 'trusted' garage for a winter tire change, usual cost about 85chf. Get presented with a bill after the work for over 200chf!

Reason why? This time they said they had mounted 'internet tires'. I had just bought them new from reifen-direkt, in fact they were even still in the wrapping from there.

The crazy thing is, I have never bought tires at this garage, and last time they just mounted the tires I gave them, which were a season old, so he would have had no idea on the origins of them, when he changed them for 85chf.

The garage owner said every place charges more to mount 'new, internet tires', which I seriously doubt.

What a shame, as now my local garage, who I thought were always nice and fair, has lost a customer not just for tire changing, but for annual servicing (500chf+) and fuel (250chf per month).

Car experts, there's no extra work involved in mounting tires for the 1st time is there?!
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Old 16.10.2015, 19:12
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So typically Swiss. Like charging for tap-water or for a plate if you share a dish. They think they are being "fair" and dont realize what they gain on the swings they lose on the carousel. Ah well...
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None whatsoever.

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None whatsoever.

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Thanks clarifying!

I think I'm actually going to go back now I know this; my Swiss-German wasn't good enough to tell something that he was saying about new tires.

I'm not mad about the lost cash, just that a local village garage who know me and have charged fair servicing prices too, can betray my trust and behave with such short-sightedness on this tire change thing
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Re: "Switzerlanded" for winter tire change!

Tired of these CH garages!
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So typically Swiss. Like charging for tap-water or for a plate if you share a dish. They think they are being "fair" and dont realize what they gain on the swings they lose on the carousel. Ah well...
Never encountered the plate charge, where was that and which justification did they give for it?
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So I went to my usual 'trusted' garage for a winter tire change, usual cost about 85chf. Get presented with a bill after the work for over 200chf!

Reason why? This time they said they had mounted 'internet tires'. I had just bought them new from reifen-direkt, in fact they were even still in the wrapping from there.

The crazy thing is, I have never bought tires at this garage, and last time they just mounted the tires I gave them, which were a season old, so he would have had no idea on the origins of them, when he changed them for 85chf.

The garage owner said every place charges more to mount 'new, internet tires', which I seriously doubt.

What a shame, as now my local garage, who I thought were always nice and fair, has lost a customer not just for tire changing, but for annual servicing (500chf+) and fuel (250chf per month).

Car experts, there's no extra work involved in mounting tires for the 1st time is there?!

About "mounting for the first time" No, tires are the exception; no extra cost


BTW, I never paid more than CHF 55.00 for winter tire change.

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Re: "Switzerlanded" for winter tire change!

DIY and save the bill (hassle)
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DIY and save the bill (hassle)
While I've done it by hand, one really needs a tire mounting machine, especially to remove the tire without damaging it.

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While I've done it by hand, one really needs a tire mounting machine, especially to remove the tire without damaging it.

Tom

Agreed, changing the wheels is no issue but changing the tires themselves is a step too far without the correct equipment which costs too much too be justified for only twice a year.
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So I went to my usual 'trusted' garage for a winter tire change, usual cost about 85chf. Get presented with a bill after the work for over 200chf!

Reason why? This time they said they had mounted 'internet tires'. I had just bought them new from reifen-direkt, in fact they were even still in the wrapping from there.

The crazy thing is, I have never bought tires at this garage, and last time they just mounted the tires I gave them, which were a season old, so he would have had no idea on the origins of them, when he changed them for 85chf.

The garage owner said every place charges more to mount 'new, internet tires', which I seriously doubt.

What a shame, as now my local garage, who I thought were always nice and fair, has lost a customer not just for tire changing, but for annual servicing (500chf+) and fuel (250chf per month).

Car experts, there's no extra work involved in mounting tires for the 1st time is there?!
reifendirekt shows the rates of partners that work with them. did you check them?
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reifendirekt shows the rates of partners that work with them. did you check them?
I've checked in the past, and have always just used my local garage because of their good services and also prices......until now!!

Now I've checked again and will be using someone else in the future
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So I went to my usual 'trusted' garage for a winter tire change, usual cost about 85chf. Get presented with a bill after the work for over 200chf!
Wow. When you go there tommorow, ask for an official price list. Even the usual 85 CHF sounds like a ripoff.

I just paid 90 CHF to change tires PLUS oil and filters today. Oil and filter were bought online, so all-in parts+service was ~150 CHF.
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Wow. When you go there tommorow, ask for an official price list. Even the usual 85 CHF sounds like a ripoff.

I just paid 90 CHF to change tires PLUS oil and filters today. Oil and filter were bought online, so all-in parts+service was ~150 CHF.
Excellent price, that is what I do, at least then you are in control of final bill to a certain extent. Or if I'm not busy I do it myself.
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Car experts, there's no extra work involved in mounting tires for the 1st time is there?!

There is indeed, if you are talking about fitting tires to rims. as opposed ot just swapping the winter wheels for the summer wheels.


Roughly speaking:


Put vehicle on lift, check underside of car/brakes for problems (his duty legally), remove/refit wheels: 30 min
Remove old tires from rims, mount and balance new tires: 15 min each.
Disposal cost, old tires: Appx 10 CHF for 4 tires


His effort: 1.5 hours + 10 CHF works out to 126.66 CHF/hour, which is not excessive.


He also missed out on his (marginal) markup on selling you the tires, and being able to charge you for storing them off season. Independent garages struggle to stay alive, they are (for the most part) not trying to rip you off. Incidentally, they usually don't make anything on the fuel sales from the pump in front of the shop.


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He also missed out on his (marginal) markup on selling you the tires, and being able to charge you for storing them off season.
it sounds like he'll be missing out on much more than that in the future!
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it sounds like he'll be missing out on much more than that in the future!


Probably, then further down the line he will close his shop because he can't make an honest living. Then there will be moaning about not being able to find a non dealership/non fly by night shop. Most 1/2 man independent garages really struggle to stay above water (I know a few). The really cut throat guys get by fine... but then, who is driving the vehicle that they are cutting the corners on? You get what you pay for.
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So I went to my usual 'trusted' garage for a winter tire change, usual cost about 85chf. Get presented with a bill after the work for over 200chf!

Reason why? This time they said they had mounted 'internet tires'. I had just bought them new from reifen-direkt, in fact they were even still in the wrapping from there

The garage owner said every place charges more to mount 'new, internet tires', which I seriously doubt.
I suspect the local garage cartel provides lower prices for tires that are distributed through group A (hereafter called MONOPOLY or MY NEIGHBOR) and charge much higher prices for those tires distributed by group B (hereafter called EVIL INTERNET TIRES).

But, as they say, "you get what you pay for."
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Re: "Switzerlanded" for winter tire change!

Perceived wisdom told me that new winter tyres this year would cost us bucket loads more at our local tyre place compared to crossing the border.

The same tyres with fitting were cheaper here.

I'll never feel guilty about seeking good value when spending my hard-earned.

Yet, if you know how to look, value can be found in Switzerland.
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Perceived wisdom told me that new winter tyres this year would cost us bucket loads more at our local tyre place compared to crossing the border.

The same tyres with fitting were cheaper here.

I'll never feel guilty about seeking good value when spending my hard-earned.

Yet, if you know how to look, value can be found in Switzerland.
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