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Audi/Merc parts are pretty expensive, So much so that even the non OEM suppliers follow the trend.


A GF of mine has an HR-V with something close to 150k on the clock. Great little SUV. The ones with the smaller motors probably won't have been thrashed to bits. They're not exactly HP monsters, and because they are so light they buffets about a bit at high speed, but they barely sip fuel, handle well in the snow/wet, and maintenance is barely on the radar. If you get one with recently done brakes/exhaust, and the timing belt has been replaced at the proper service intervals then you'll probably have no surprises.
Actually the parts for all German cars are incredibly cheap, the mark up being huge, OEM available for 20-30% of retail price charged by dealers.

Www.eurocarparts.com
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Old 28.07.2015, 12:02
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The Discovery remains a superb piece of kit... <snip> excellent maneuverability<snip>
Seriously!?! It has the turning circle of a tank! 3-point turns became 10-point turns.

While I loved my Discos and I agree with all you other comments, you're taking the piss on this one.
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Old 28.07.2015, 12:04
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Actually the parts for all German cars are incredibly cheap, the mark up being huge, OEM available for 20-30% of retail price charged by dealers.

Www.eurocarparts.com
The other thing is that they are normally in stock within 24-48hrs. With the old BMW (20 years old when I bought it) I called up the BMW dealer in Chur to get hold of a sumpguard (standard equipment on South African 5-series), they ordered it (more cheapily than in Germany) - it was in stock at BMWs main warehouse in Germany - and was at the dealer within 48 hours
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Actually the parts for all German cars are incredibly cheap, the mark up being huge, OEM available for 20-30% of retail price charged by dealers.

Www.eurocarparts.com
As above.

I don't get the 'German car parts are expensive' thing - it's a myth and hasn't been true for at least 10 years.

If the parts were expensive then they would never sell any cars to fleet and leasing companies who focus in on cost of ownership to minimise the amount the cars cost to run.

The stuff where parts cost a lot is low-ish volume models where there isn't the vehicle parc needed for the aftermarket suppliers to produce parts. I expect that diesel Subarus using their boxer engine will fall firmly into this category in the future.
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Old 28.07.2015, 12:21
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Seriously!?! It has the turning circle of a tank! 3-point turns became 10-point turns.

While I loved my Discos and I agree with all you other comments, you're taking the piss on this one.
Not to be pedantic but a tracked tank can turn on the spot
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As above.

I don't get the 'German car parts are expensive' thing - it's a myth and hasn't been true for at least 10 years.

If the parts were expensive then they would never sell any cars to fleet and leasing companies who focus in on cost of ownership to minimise the amount the cars cost to run.

The stuff where parts cost a lot is low-ish volume models where there isn't the vehicle parc needed for the aftermarket suppliers to produce parts. I expect that diesel Subarus using their boxer engine will fall firmly into this category in the future.
I was buying cheap parts for a Porsche 911 nearly 30 years ago, servicing a Peugeot 206 was more expensive at the time.
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Old 28.07.2015, 14:41
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Seriously!?! It has the turning circle of a tank! 3-point turns became 10-point turns.

While I loved my Discos and I agree with all you other comments, you're taking the piss on this one.
11.4m vs 10.9 for a VW Golf vs 12m for a BMW 5-series

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I was buying cheap parts for a Porsche 911 nearly 30 years ago, servicing a Peugeot 206 was more expensive at the time.
No bloody wonder - the 206 was still 13 years from going into production!
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11.4m vs 10.9 for a VW Golf vs 12m for a BMW 5-series



No bloody wonder - the 206 was still 13 years from going into production!
205 perhaps? Many service parts of course being identical !
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Actually the parts for all German cars are incredibly cheap, the mark up being huge, OEM available for 20-30% of retail price charged by dealers.

Www.eurocarparts.com
This is fine, but inapplicable for anyone who doesn't want to bother ordering parts themselves (which to some degree require knowing what has to be replaced too). If someone has the time and means to service their car themselves, or can diagnose issues that require new parts - more power to them!

In my case for example, it makes no difference because I'd like to have the convenience of just dropping the car off at a garage and let them sort it. If garages charge a lot of margin for german manufactured cars, that just means that they are expensive to maintain for me.

When looking for an old but trusty car that'll take me from A to B, I'd much rather get something where I won't have to hunt parts online. This is for example the main reason why I'm hesitating with any of the VW/BMW/Merc trio for my 5k cheap-but-reliable car idea.
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Old 09.08.2015, 22:43
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This is fine, but inapplicable for anyone who doesn't want to bother ordering parts themselves (which to some degree require knowing what has to be replaced too). If someone has the time and means to service their car themselves, or can diagnose issues that require new parts - more power to them!

In my case for example, it makes no difference because I'd like to have the convenience of just dropping the car off at a garage and let them sort it. If garages charge a lot of margin for german manufactured cars, that just means that they are expensive to maintain for me.

When looking for an old but trusty car that'll take me from A to B, I'd much rather get something where I won't have to hunt parts online. This is for example the main reason why I'm hesitating with any of the VW/BMW/Merc trio for my 5k cheap-but-reliable car idea.
No hunting required for pretty much any car part, in stock in most motor factors near you. Mark up is often 200-400%. French car parts seem to cost even more than German... The difference is the German car won't need many parts & can be driven past 250k with ease.
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Old 18.08.2015, 14:40
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Alright so I've basically channeled my inner James May and narrowed it down to:

Toyota RAV4. Yes it is a toy offroader, probably comes with mandatory 2 year hairdresser apprenticeship, but it is cheap and has a large boot (maybe I should go shopping on Langstrasse instead )

Volvo 850 AWD. The ultimate barge by the looks of it. There are quite a few of these rolling about too. It is the old Volvo, which will probably run until it rusts away into dust. These are comically cheap, to the degree that I could just buy one with MFK and when the next check comes up just scrap it.

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Volvo 950 AWD. The ultimate barge by the looks of it. There are quite a few of these rolling about too. It is the old Volvo, which will probably run until it rusts away into dust. These are comically cheap, to the degree that I could just buy one with MFK and when the next check comes up just scrap it.
I am sure you mean 850.

As 4wd systems go - the 850 is know to be a bit flakey

As long as you don't expect it to last it should be OK
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Old 18.08.2015, 15:12
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I am sure you mean 850.

As 4wd systems go - the 850 is know to be a bit flakey

As long as you don't expect it to last it should be OK
Yup 850 and no I don't expect it to last. These can be had ~2500 CHF with MFK. If it survives 2 years and then it completely falls to dust, it's still not too bad.
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So winter will soon be knocking on our doors and ski season will be fast approaching - so what does DK recommend for winter.

Although 4wd is a massive bonus in improving traction (not grip) it isn't essential in a winter car, that doesn't mean that at a price point it wouldn't be worth considering.

So, if I was buying a 5k car which needed to be practical and well suited for winter, where would I put my money?

I'm a fan on the Nissan X-Trail - prices are now pretty good and the 2.2 diesels and 2.5 petrol are lusty enough (the 2.0 makes do with just 148lbft torque). The 4wd system is very effective and can effectively be "locked" if things get really badly. They are pretty basic inside but relatively well equipped and features practical loadspace with a wipe clean boot and large ski hatch. Avoid the automatic.

I am cautious around high KM low price Subarus - but to be honest they are pretty reliable, there are plenty of them, and they are "Ronseal" cars. Just don't expect "European" interior trim quality.

The other 4*4 brand of choice is Audi - but beware not everything branded as Quattro actually uses a Quattro system - some use a torque shuffling Haldex which depending on its evolution can be a little dim witted in its application. For me this A6 looks a lot nicer than most 4k cars. Don't buy the 2.7T engine (in the A6 all Allroad) - it is overly thirsty (worse than the 4.2) and feels strained in its power delivery.

Older BMW/Mercs can be found with 4wd - but neither system was particularly clever - in fact the original 4-matic from Mercedes was so woefully unreliable it disppeared for a number of years before returning much improved. Instead I'd go FWD and look at the Swedes - Saab and Volvo. The former are now really cheap thanks to their demise - but as long as you buy based on history and condition you can find a solid bargain that should last well. The 9-5 with the 2.3t is considered the pick of the bunch.

Finally, spending money on a fresh set of winter tyres can be well worth it if your current set are a little down on tread and/or are over 5 years old.

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For those who missed it, LiB's old car is still for sale.

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In terms of Q-cars - IE something that looks normal but is a bit loopy underneath - VW Passat - nicely equipped, a torquey engine and a lovely engine note.
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If you want cheap fresh MFK motoring this Saab 9-3 should be a decent option.

This is the classic looking Saab Estate - however BE WARNED the dealer can be unreliable when keeping appointments AND that engine is the "danger" engine - and when I looked at the car I couldn't find the code that said it had the updated dipstick. The smoking would suggest is on its way out.
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Say you suddenly went stark raving mad, and decided you wanted to buy a people carrier, which one would it be Dodgyken?
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Entirely depends on budget - the original Zafira used to be a budget good choice but they are getting old in the tooth now, the later ones didn't really take the game on at all.

Both the XC90 and Disco3 brought proper 7 seating to the SUV market. The XC90 always seems underpowered (unless you get the "depreciates life an Alfa" V8 - and higher fuel costs) and the Disco is very heavy and suffers from poor economy. Both had very long production lives and some are really cheap now.

The VW Sharan (or Ford/SEAT sisters) fill the middle ground and offer a good space/cost balance.
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Entirely depends on budget - the original Zafira used to be a budget good choice but they are getting old in the tooth now, the later ones didn't really take the game on at all.

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But they were incredibly dull to drive. I drove one on long journeys quite a few times.

I know this is your thread DK but the Renault Scenic (or Grand Scenic for seven seats) is popular here and the 1.4L turbo engines are surprisingly nippy for a seven seater and they're cheaper than the Seat/VW ones.
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I know this is your thread DK but the Renault Scenic (or Grand Scenic for seven seats) is popular here and the 1.4L turbo engines are surprisingly nippy for a seven seater and they're cheaper than the Seat/VW ones.
Newer Grand Scenics are popular in a lot of countries because they are cheap to buy new - with decent finance packages they are cheap to buy and normally won't through out any major problems within a 3 or 4 year lease. I also know people who swear by them and have been repeat buyers. But then people also bought the Nissan Almeria so there is no accounting for taste

Saying all that, I am a sucker for a good piece of French penmanship - step forward the C6, the Avantine and new "hunky" Espace.

The fact Renault call in a "model palette" is #1 turn-off. You'd be looking at 55k+ (before discount) for a new one in a good (200ps engine) spec. Good looking car though!
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I know this is your thread DK but the Renault Scenic (or Grand Scenic for seven seats) is popular here and the 1.4L turbo engines are surprisingly nippy for a seven seater and they're cheaper than the Seat/VW ones.
But it's a Renault and we know what DK thinks of French cars.


Maybe not entirely unjustified historically mind
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