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Old 06.11.2015, 17:34
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So the Recommended Car thread seems to be swinging from CHF 2k 18 year old Volvo 960 or similar, or alternatively, a CHF 280k Ferrari.
A bit like Top Gear then over the years.
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A bit like Top Gear then over the years.
What's the point, or enjoyment, of having a car like this (2005 & 2009) and driving respectively nothing (4000km / 8'400km) ?

If you can afford it, buy it and use it, if not, buy somethng a bit less exotoc but at least HAVE SOME FUN !
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Old 06.11.2015, 20:22
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I also think the Sudan car is a bit expensive, and the color too orange for my taste compared to the classic rosso corsa. It has the shields, red stitching on the seats (also extra) and red break calipers - all good. I would not be too bothered about extras like a rear view camera - just stick your head out the window These cars are not that difficult to park. Mileage is quite high for a 2013 Ferrari (my 2003 360 only had Km 20K when I bought it last March). Higher mileage is not necessarily a bad thing, but it does hurt the re-sale value.

Ferrari prices are a strange thing indeed. The Testarossa has doubled in the last two, three years. The F355 prices are on the rise. Last spring I looked at a F355 GTS for CHF 50K. Today that car would cost over CHF 80K (asking price). This is pushing the F360 up marginally. The prices for F430 and 458 are depreciating, and I expect them to fall further when people actually start taking delivery of the 488.

If I where in the market today, I would be looking at a 3 pedal (manual) 430 spider - they are almost impossible to find now. I miss the window on the engine bay on the 458 Spider. Also, consider going for a 458 Speciale, they will definitely hold their value over the next 10 to 20 years, and then skyrocket like the 430 scuderia and 360 challenge stradale have done recently.


After checking autoscout, I think there is really only one red 458 spider priced to sell, and that is this one:
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/ferra...p%3d10%26r%3d5
I don't think the Sudan car is too badly priced, given it's well specced and in resale red. F car pricing doesn't make any sense. The 355 and 360 are both overpriced compared to the 430.

I've only driven one manual Ferrari, a 456. I was expecting to love the manual box, but don't see what all the fuss is about. The DCT on the 458 suits the car perfectly.

I agree about the engine bay on the 458 Spider. I think it actually looks a little awkward compared to the Italia, but more than makes up for it with the top down.

A Speciale would be ideal, but they aren't cheap.

The Spider you've linked is an import. Given the dealer location, I assume it's an import from Italy, where they are made. So just like all the other Ferraris in the country. It's cheap now, but it will hurt come resale time.

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I know a guy who bought a new Speciale from Foitek in April, and he paid less than 300K for it. Factory made to his specs.

As for the skyrocketing:
FERRARI F360 Challenge stradale - CHF 400K
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/ferra...p%3d10%26r%3d5

FERRARI F430 Spider Scuderia M16 - CHF 430K
http://www.autoscout24.ch/de/d/ferra...p%3d10%26r%3d5
I was offered a 16M 3 years ago for 240k. I couldn't make it work at the time. Gutted, given the prices now. It's interesting that the 458 SA has gone crazy priced from the start. The CS, Scud and 16M all depreciated first.


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So the Recommended Car thread seems to be swinging from CHF 2k 18 year old Volvo 960 or similar, or alternatively, a CHF 280k Ferrari.

I'm calling derailed.
I was thinking the same thing earlier, but it's good to have a decent car chat on here without the hippies going batshit. Can you imagine what a "Let's talk Ferraris" thread showing up on the main page would do...
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

Without wishing to be a hippy, what use is a Ferrari anyway in Switzerland, or anywhere else for that matter?
Surely an MX-5 is a more useable bit of kit?

A long time ago my friends and I all downgraded to 400cc Jap racers rather than 750/1000cc bikes because the latter were just unuseable in real life.

Hats off to anyone who can afford one though, as long as they're not a financial adviser.
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Old 06.11.2015, 22:25
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Without wishing to be a hippy, what use is a Ferrari anyway in Switzerland, or anywhere else for that matter?

If you're asking this question, you wouldn't understand the answer anyway (probably), but there goes nothing:


A lot of things are overengineered and have capacities above and beyond most "reasonably expected" use, but people like to have nice things. The very rudimentary version, because the "petrol-in-my-vains" version gets weird looks...
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If you're asking this question, you wouldn't understand the answer anyway (probably), but there goes nothing:


A lot of things are overengineered and have capacities above and beyond most "reasonably expected" use, but people like to have nice things. The very rudimentary version, because the "petrol-in-my-vains" version gets weird looks...
Oh I appreciate people like nice things and over engineering.
I own some Tweezerman tweezers.

It's the gap between 'reasonably expected' (though this is really 'legally allowed') and maximum performance.
That said, super cars keep getting produced so there's obviously a decent demand.

And here's me dreaming of an Toyota Auris kombi one day.
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Without wishing to be a hippy, what use is a Ferrari anyway in Switzerland, or anywhere else for that matter?
Surely an MX-5 is a more useable bit of kit?

A long time ago my friends and I all downgraded to 400cc Jap racers rather than 750/1000cc bikes because the latter were just unuseable in real life.

Hats off to anyone who can afford one though, as long as they're not a financial adviser.
Well, you can enjoy the mountain passes, there are some of them that are not that much watch over... In the north you have the German autobahn, in the south you have some very nice italian back roads and a less strict "polizia"... If you want to go hardcore, Monza is a bit more than 3 hours from Zürich
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Old 07.11.2015, 21:58
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

I have to chime in here. Today was sunny and 19 degrees Celsius in November. I went for a ride in the Black Forrest with the top down. Made some noise but was mostly quiet. How cool is that?
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Old 07.11.2015, 22:16
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how cool is that?
19°?
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Re: Recommended cars for sale

Why?
Because I can. Because avoiding a 90-120min queue into Geneva on Friday allowed me to straightline along the back roads - carrying plenty of speed through the corners and dispatching slower cars quickly and safely - all accompanied by the sound of rolling thunder. Despite the navi suggesting I was doing 2339kmh at one point I rarely got much above the limit.

The enjoyment though comes from hitting those speeds more rapidly, tackling corners at a higher speed and being the best sounding and looking car on the road
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Why?

The enjoyment though comes from hitting those speeds more rapidly, tackling corners at a higher speed and being the best sounding and looking car on the road
Which Ferrari do you have?
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Old 09.11.2015, 13:32
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Which Ferrari do you have?
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Old 09.11.2015, 13:54
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Re: The "which is the best car" thread.

I've just split this divergent thread off from the original cars-for-sale recommendation one, so if anyone spots any posts in the couple of hundred here that should be in the original, please let me know (report post) and I'll move it back. Thanks.

Otherwise, have fun here.
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Old 09.11.2015, 14:00
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I've just split this divergent thread off from the original cars-for-sale recommendation one, so if anyone spots any posts in the couple of hundred here that should be in the original, please let me know (report post) and I'll move it back. Thanks.

Otherwise, have fun here.
Not sure if this a good idea. A thread about best cars now starts with this:

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I love the CLK black
It gives the impression that dodgyken loves hairdressers' cars.
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I've just split this divergent thread off from the original cars-for-sale recommendation one, so if anyone spots any posts in the couple of hundred here that should be in the original, please let me know (report post) and I'll move it back. Thanks.

Otherwise, have fun here.
I was wondering why I just got 19 PMs. I bet Ken's inbox has just exploded....

Shouldn't this be called 'people talking bollocks about cars' though?
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Old 09.11.2015, 14:12
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Re: The "which is the best car" thread.

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It gives the impression that dodgyken loves hairdressers' cars.
Well, he has expressed his admiration for hairdressers' cars more than once: The "which is the best car" thread..
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Old 09.11.2015, 15:09
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Re: The "which is the best car" thread.

You guys are mixing up different models (and body styles).

The CLK (and the Black at that) has absolutely nothing to do with the SLK.

There is nothing hairdresser-y with that thing.
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Old 09.11.2015, 15:15
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You guys are mixing up different models (and body styles).

The CLK (and the Black at that) has absolutely nothing to do with the SLK.

There is nothing hairdresser-y with that thing.
Oh, I know the difference. I've owned three CLKs (although never an SLK, so I can't definitively compare. But I've never owned a Renault, Peugeot or Citroën, either ). But dodgyken definitely expressed admiration for an SLK in the post I quoted, above.
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Old 09.11.2015, 15:20
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Re: The "which is the best car" thread.

Ehh, I believe all mercs are hairdressers' by default. There is a single exception, the SLS AMG which is an unbelievable piece of design, irrespective of the fact that the car is pretty much undriveable under power.

I'll respectfully ignore any dissenting opinions.
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Ehh, I believe all mercs are hairdressers' by default.
Haters gonna hate
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