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Treverus 18.11.2015 10:32

Classic Ducatis...
 
... really just suck. Not sure why, but I somehow feel like raising this topic today.

Corbets 18.11.2015 11:41

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
So do Harleys, full stop.

(That ought to get things going)

Guest 18.11.2015 11:48

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
And BMW riders. ;)

They never do the salute! :p

JagWaugh 18.11.2015 12:14

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2487642)
So do Harleys, full stop.

(That ought to get things going)



Classic vehicle owners mostly fall into one of two camps: They are either unable to see the flaws in their vehicle, or they have a long list of improvements to the design. It doesn't even seem to matter if they do their own work or not.


I work mostly on English cars. The Germans often feel that the first thing to improve is to install a Bosch fuel pump, as they are convinced that SU is crap. The problem isn't SU or Bosch, the problem is expecting a fuel pump to last more than 40 years!

Gordon Comstock 18.11.2015 12:18

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2487548)
... really just suck. Not sure why, but I somehow feel like raising this topic today.

I always thought the idea of desmodromic valves rather elegant. Leaving the closing to mere springs seems like cheating.

However, I understand they're a real bastard to adjust.

Gordon Comstock 18.11.2015 12:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JagWaugh (Post 2487684)
The problem isn't SU or Bosch, the problem is expecting a fuel pump to last more than 40 years!

Or maybe the problem is putting the bloody thing exposed by a wheel arch so it is constantly showered in water and road grime. In my youth, I seemed to spend far too many journeys on wet winter nights in Minis and 1100/1300s repeatedly having to get out, lie in the gutter and belt it with a hammer.

Guest 18.11.2015 12:29

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Comstock (Post 2487692)
lie in the gutter and belt it with a hammer.


Bit like Tom after he fallen off (again) you mean ?

JagWaugh 18.11.2015 12:46

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Comstock (Post 2487692)
Or maybe the problem is putting the bloody thing exposed by a wheel arch so it is constantly showered in water and road grime. In my youth, I seemed to spend far too many journeys on wet winter nights in Minis and 1100/1300s repeatedly having to get out, lie in the gutter and belt it with a hammer.



Back in the day it may have been annoying, but think of how it built character! Once the cars become classics these quirks add to the charm. I've spent my share of time swapping pumps in the dark because on a twin tank Jag the pump invariably fails on the tank which is full. Had it down to a science, but now I can afford a new pump.

dodgyken 18.11.2015 12:51

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Do Bosch pumps whine??? :confused:

TBH mine makes more noise the harder it has to work :D

JagWaugh 18.11.2015 13:03

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dodgyken (Post 2487713)
Do Bosch pumps whine??? :confused:

TBH mine makes more noise the harder it has to work :D


Some do, as do the Facets. Most make some noise, the SUs were usually mounted with some rubber isolation, so you don't really notice it when the car is actually running. If you mount an SU, Bosch, or Facet straight to the body then you will hear it even at idle.

dodgyken 18.11.2015 13:07

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JagWaugh (Post 2487716)
If you mount an SU, Bosch, or Facet straight to the body then you will hear it even at idle.

Bingo!!!
Considering the chassis design and mounting of the pump it explains the noise. The racecar also has the same issue before firing - when you hear the pumps (one in tank and one for the swirlpot)

Gordon Comstock 18.11.2015 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JagWaugh (Post 2487716)
Most make some noise, the SUs were usually mounted with some rubber isolation, so you don't really notice it when the car is actually running.

And a good job you could hear them too. Because the return valve never worked, you had to wait after you'd turned on the ignition to hear the SU pump stop clicking before you tried starting the engine. Otherwise you could flatten the battery on the starter before enough fuel had been pumped up.

I really did have some rubbish cars.

profetas 18.11.2015 15:51

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Why mods don't close threads like this?
it has 0 relevance and just fill forum with junk.

Maybe EF should create a chat channel so people can chat instead of creating threads like this?

Guest 18.11.2015 16:52

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by profetas (Post 2487809)
Why mods don't close threads like this?
it has 0 relevance and just fill forum with junk.

Maybe EF should create a chat channel so people can chat instead of creating threads like this?

Maybe if the mods banned you, that would lead to less junk in this forum ;)

tobiasn 18.11.2015 17:03

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by profetas (Post 2487809)
Why mods don't close threads like this?
it has 0 relevance and just fill forum with junk.

Coming from a guy with a "Thanks/Groan-ratio" on almost 1:1 :rolleyes:

dodgyken 18.11.2015 17:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tobiasn (Post 2487864)
Coming from a guy with a "Thanks/Groan-ratio" on almost 1:1 :rolleyes:

Must resist taking your cherry :p:D

hairybadger 18.11.2015 17:18

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Until recently I had a 1997 Cagiva E750 Elefant. Lovely bike, real pain finding parts. The engine is the same as a Ducati Monster from the same period so not too many problems there, but pretty much everything else was a real issue.... It died (flywheel split, damaged crankshaft) despite being taken care of and isn't worth repairing in terms of money and time :( Miss the bike, don't miss the associated hassles and numerous electrical gremlins.

st2lemans 18.11.2015 23:11

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2487548)
... really just suck. Not sure why, but I somehow feel like raising this topic today.

You just love being my new biker bitch, don't you! :D

I.e. I'm no longer banned, boy! ;)

Tom

BokerTov 18.11.2015 23:18

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2487548)
... really just suck. Not sure why, but I somehow feel like raising this topic today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbets (Post 2487642)
So do Harleys, full stop.

(That ought to get things going)

You are both wrong.

Because I said so. ;)

TiMow 18.11.2015 23:26

Re: Classic Ducatis...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2488106)
You just love being my new biker bitch, don't you! :D

I.e. I'm no longer banned, boy! ;)

Tom

Thank god, the voice of reason is back ..... my thanks and groan totals have missed you.


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