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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

Any modern engine (i.e. not more than 5 years old I'd say) can cover 99% of the needs of the average driver in Switzerland plenty.

If the duty cycle is moving people and not stuff, you're going to be fine.

There's not much overtaking, there are not the temptations of the de-restricted autobahn of our northern neighbors, and pretty much the only reason to go bigger is because you can probably afford it and because you might want to not clash with your building's garage full of expensive metal

If you don't mind the above (you probably don't) the engine will do fine.



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I had the 1.0l focus which gives 125bhp and it was a cracking engine
That 3cyl Ecoboost should be made a case study. It's a really good engine.
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That 3cyl Ecoboost should be made a case study. It's a really good engine.
I've graduated to a 1.6tdi which has significantly better fuel consumption. But the performance between the 1.0 and this is just as good if not better!
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Old 30.12.2015, 21:58
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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

Does anyone ever chose a car based on the important things?
How comfortable the seats are?
How easy is it to park?
Whether the driving position can be adjusted to your requirements? Are the pedals are offset?
Are the controls intuitively laid out?
Whether the ride is comfortable?

Fuel economy is not a reason to buy a car
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Old 30.12.2015, 22:52
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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

I would like to see such a gerbil engine after some serious mileage. Sure, they're fantastic in city traffic but in the long run, I'd rather have a big engine than a 1.something.
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Old 30.12.2015, 22:54
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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

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Does anyone ever chose a car based on the important things?
How comfortable the seats are?
How easy is it to park?
Whether the driving position can be adjusted to your requirements? Are the pedals are offset?
Are the controls intuitively laid out?
Whether the ride is comfortable?

Fuel economy is not a reason to buy a car
more examples of valid reasons:
  • Does the engine rev to at least 7k?
  • Does the engine has 6cyl or more?
  • Does it have double wishbones all around?
  • Does it have (at least) dual exhausts in the back?
  • Is it a proper sofa on wheels with double-glazed windows?

Do you look back after you've parked it?
Last one most important, the rest mix and match :P
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more examples of valid reasons:
  • Does the engine rev to at least 7k?
  • Does the engine has 6cyl or more?
  • Does it have double wishbones all around?
  • Does it have (at least) dual exhausts in the back?
  • Is it a proper sofa on wheels with double-glazed windows?

Do you look back after you've parked it?
Last one most important, the rest mix and match :P

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Does it attract girls?
Does it look good on the parking lot at work?
If I push the throttle, will people turn their heads?
How big is the chance that I am behind an identical car when waiting for the traffic light?
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Old 31.12.2015, 07:48
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I would like to see such a gerbil engine after some serious mileage. Sure, they're fantastic in city traffic but in the long run, I'd rather have a big engine than a 1.something.
The days of 3 or 4 speed gearboxes are long gone. If the car has enough gears you won't need the power. Out small Fabia has a 1.2 engine and 7 gears, it rarely revs above 3'500 rpm, producing good economy and longer life.
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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

Thanks for the interesting input.

Just to clarify a few points.

I am ruling out Diesel engines, due to too many short journeys and current uncertainties. Automatics are also out. Big engines and big sized cars are not needed, although smaller than mid-size won't work either. 4x4 was, at one time, a strong consideration (I've only owned 4x4's here), but as I'm now at a lower altitude, it's not as necessary.

I do own and will need, from time to time, to tow a trailer, for occasional bulky and heavy items, but it's only a small one (750kg) and is braked, which would help the gearbox, if ever loaded close to max.

My main concern, with a smaller (than I would have previously considered) engine, is that, on the odd occasion when I need to sit on a motorway, for any length of time, is that I'm not going to be engulfed in loads of straining engine noise, and that these type of engines are 'happy' and capable of having a day-long continual autobahn bash.

I'm really starting on a blank canvas, but have to admit that I've bought into the practicality of the 'box on wheels' concept - loads of interior room for not a big footprint.
An early consideration was a Yeti, but as I'm prepared to ditch the 4x4 concept, and even nearly new ones were still attracting prices that I don't want to pay, I've discounted that for now and am looking at other alternatives.
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Old 31.12.2015, 09:54
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There was a time when I would never consider a car with an engine size smaller than 1.6l, but having started to look for another car, I cant help but notice that many manufacturers offer several small mid-size models with 1.2l engines.

With improvements in engine efficiency, are these now, equivalent of a 1.6l engine?

For example, a Dacia Dokker (similar in size and weight to my current Kangoo) comes equipped with a 1.2l turbocharged petrol engine, developing 115bhp (I assume a Renault block) - which is 20bhp more than the published output of the 1.6l 16v engine in my 10yr. old Kangoo.

As the bulk of my driving is local and round trips up to 200km (although excursions into neighbouring countries and possibly back to Blighty have to be considered, too), is a 1.2l engine car really suitable for my needs?


N.B. the Dacia Dokker is a serious possible contender, if the engine is up to the job and the turbo isn't made of paper; - not too big or complicated for the missus (similar to what we already have), new(ish) car for not too much outlay (I resent tying up loads of money in something that I just need to perform a function, especially with kids and pets).

Shouldn't be a problem - I have a 1.4l Bluemotion VW Golf Variant and I'm very pleased with the performance. I had a BMW 320D before - the latter was a tad more powerful (but also had transmission failure at 60k km :-), but the difference isn't massive. Plus the VW is much quieter.
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Old 31.12.2015, 10:45
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How comfortable the seats are?
How easy is it to park?
Whether the driving position can be adjusted to your requirements? Are the pedals are offset?
Are the controls intuitively laid out?
Whether the ride is comfortable?

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How easy is it to park?
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Are the controls intuitively laid out?
Whether the ride is comfortable?

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Old 31.12.2015, 12:27
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Re: Are modern 1.2l petrol engines up to the job?

Small engine cars are perfect match for Switzerland with lots of speed limits, speed cameras and narrow driveways. At least major problems of fast car drivers will resolve themselves by nature of the model driven. If you are not doing too much steep ascending and fast highway/DE autobahn kms then small engines are ideal not to mention great fuel economy achieved. Also your road taxes will be less based on the engine volume. Given that the small engine car is also of small gabarits, therefore more space on the side in the garage when you exit. Win win situation IMHO and more pros than cons to have such a car

Have you considered motorbike to boot?
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The days of 3 or 4 speed gearboxes are long gone. If the car has enough gears you won't need the power. Out small Fabia has a 1.2 engine and 7 gears, it rarely revs above 3'500 rpm, producing good economy and longer life.
I rarely go above 2500rpm in all 3 of the cars
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My main concern, with a smaller (than I would have previously considered) engine, is that, on the odd occasion when I need to sit on a motorway, for any length of time, is that I'm not going to be engulfed in loads of straining engine noise, and that these type of engines are 'happy' and capable of having a day-long continual autobahn bash.
If you don't have time to test drive the car at motorway speeds then you can calculate what it will feel like by:
Get the circumference of the wheel - by taking the tyre width and multiplying it by the profile - then multiply by 2. Add to that the wheel size times 2.54. And then multiply by pi - that gives the distance a wheel we travel through a full rotation.

You then need the ratio of the highest gear and the final drive ratio.

Take the distance per rotation * 1000 * 60 and divide by the gear ratio times the final drive.

Easy

(For long cruises you'll want 120kmh to be no higher than 2,500rpm. You'll the need to test the car for tyre, wind and drivetrain noise - IE 2,500rpm is not always equal.)
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