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18.01.2016, 17:34
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| | Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | And then you ignore it as not enforceable in CH? AIUI - foreign (EU) debts can be chased through the Swiss courts, but first a court order has to be got in the EU country. Then they can apply for a judgement from a Swiss court.
(Not that I'm advocating refusing to pay legitimate fines). | | | | | Not sure with france and germany, there is some kind of agreement and your local police will come knocking at your door officially, I've seen this.
Regarding other countries, I don't know, you risk when you go back in any case.
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18.01.2016, 17:37
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| | Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | Not sure with france and germany, there is some kind of agreement and your local police will come knocking at your door officially, I've seen this.
Regarding other countries, I don't know, you risk when you go back in any case. | | | | | UK - no. Just sayin'... | 
19.01.2016, 09:07
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yeah - basically transfers the webpage to your handheld LOL
Still not improving guess-and-see experience of having to pay for transits
Cheers
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19.01.2016, 09:16
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| | Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | Not sure with france and germany, there is some kind of agreement and your local police will come knocking at your door officially, I've seen this.
Regarding other countries, I don't know, you risk when you go back in any case. | | | | | Depends on organization I s'pose. Local knowledge here in TI says that local fines (parking etc) usually aren't enforced in CH.
For local municipalities in Italy it's probably too much of a hassle to have to recur to a credit collection agency * BIG EDIT TO THIS PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH: wife of colleague called just now to rant 5 minutes 'cos she just rec'd an injunction to pay a speeding infraction on a Strada Statale dated march 5th 2015. So Italy is obviously upping their game. HOWEVER, and big caveat
a) I was once notified through a collection agency of a parking ticked I received in Trento (Italy)
b) Motorway fines apparently do get enforced in CH - I'm trying to talk to a guy who was caught.
The other way 'round... I know someone from Milano who told me he was fined CHF 36k in Canton GR for speeding (yes - he is indeed that wealthy!).
Italian carabinieri notified him the fine personally, at home...
Paul
*Caveat #2: however if you should ever decide to move to Italy, at that point you could be fair game... and you'll be in a legal mess as you will need to go to court to settle outstanding tickets (and addt'l fines on top)!!
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24.08.2016, 14:34
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region
Thanks for this info. We got caught unexpectdly but realised in time. The registration function is extremely bureaucratic (this is Italy after all) so we have not done that.
Fast payment does work but be aware the link to allow you to put in you payment details does not appear whn using Chrome on a mobile phone. My wife discovered the link on her phone using Safari. It may be a setting but I just think the whole is rather clumsy.
Good luck everyone!
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04.01.2017, 00:06
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region
Thanks for this post. Really useful. I drove on the road from Lugano to Milan (Varese A8) three times before I even realised that it was a toll road. You have to really pay attention to the road signs to even realise that those overhead lights are photographing your plates. And the only information about payment is a couple of barely visible roadsigns with a long phone number - on an 80kph road! Shockingly bad indications. I actually thought the road was so new that maybe they hadn'd set up the payment system yet. Thank God I checked! It is easy to pay online, and only costs about €1 per trip, but also annoying - it asked me for full Visa verification, for example, including my account number (on the bill), which I don't have on holiday... And by the time you've registered, paid, etc, it takes a lot longer than paying at a toll booth. It may be good for locals in the long run, but all in all, this is basically a scam to rip you off and charge tourists hefty fines. Beware!
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26.06.2018, 15:51
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So does anyone understand how this works, now a full year and a half later? I went through last weekend (like 4 days ago) and when I register on their website and put in my car's plate, it just immediately goes to "Credit Card Authorization" without ever saying how much I am authorizing. I even put in a fake license plate (or, presumably, unless somehow coincidentally JU 999 999 has gone through in the past 14 days) and it goes to the same credit card authorization form.
There is absolutely zero chance that I will put in my credit card authorization without it ever showing how much it wants me to pay. I guess I will find out in 2 years if they bother to track me down? I'm willing to pay the €3 or whatever, but I am totally unwilling to put in an unknown authorization on an absolutely garbage website that likely has zero back-end security.
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26.06.2018, 15:55
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Sorry, I was dumb / also the website threw Italian at me despite me nominally being under the "English" section and this website existing for three years.
I registered and put my car plate in (in addition to the fake Jura plate) and both of them list €0. Maybe their whole system was down — who knows. I didn't pay a toll on the regular Autostrada either because the system was down and the gates were up when I drove through on Saturday. I got a photograph of it, but when they find me for the fine in 4 years I'm sure I'll have lost or forgotten I took a photo of the booth being disabled : eye roll :
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26.06.2018, 15:59
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | So does anyone understand how this works, now a full year and a half later? I went through last weekend (like 4 days ago) and when I register on their website and put in my car's plate, it just immediately goes to "Credit Card Authorization" without ever saying how much I am authorizing. I even put in a fake license plate (or, presumably, unless somehow coincidentally JU 999 999 has gone through in the past 14 days) and it goes to the same credit card authorization form.
There is absolutely zero chance that I will put in my credit card authorization without it ever showing how much it wants me to pay. I guess I will find out in 2 years if they bother to track me down? I'm willing to pay the €3 or whatever, but I am totally unwilling to put in an unknown authorization on an absolutely garbage website that likely has zero back-end security. | | | | | Sign up to Revolut or similar. You can get a virtual one-use card number, and a better exchange rate.
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24.04.2019, 11:38
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Breathing life back into this thread.
I'm taking the car from CH, via Chiasso, down toward Milan and onto Bardolino.
So this means I have to register (in advance) on http://www.pedemontana.com/ to pay the tolls as they have 'free flow' system, and also pay at booths for http://www.autostrade.it as and when I pass them?
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24.04.2019, 11:43
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | Breathing life back into this thread.
I'm taking the car from CH, via Chiasso, down toward Milan and onto Bardolino.
So this means I have to register (in advance) on http://www.pedemontana.com/ to pay the tolls as they have 'free flow' system, and also pay at booths for http://www.autostrade.it as and when I pass them? | | | | | No, as you don't use these roads to do that, just the normal ones.
Tom
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24.04.2019, 12:11
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region
As a tangent, mind the " Zone a traffico limitato", ZTL.
According to a recent article in 20min they can be difficult to identify. And if your hotel is located in one of them you can't drive up to it during the forbidden hours.
The fines range from 80 to 335 Euro.
Reportedly, car identification happens automatically as they're electronically monitored so the chances of slipping through the net appear rather small.
ETA:
Apparently the signaling can vary. See the Italian Wiki page on the topic.
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24.04.2019, 14:14
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | No, as you don't use these roads to do that, just the normal ones.
Tom | | | | | The tolls for the A9/A4 (which is the likely route) are they like the French ones, randomly scattered along the motorways, or only at the entrance/exit?
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24.04.2019, 14:35
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region
A9 has one at Como.
A8 has one just before the A4.
They are both around EUR 2.
The A4 heading east you get a ticket at Milano Est, and you get off at Peschiera and pay (and take the normal roads to Bardolino).
The A4 ring road has no tolls between the A8 and Milano Est.
I always pay with CC, either the blue lanes (card only) or the cash lanes (card or cash).
At the A8 toll, keep left, otherwise you go to Genoa.
Tom
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30.05.2023, 13:04
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region
Hello thread revival!!
Well this whole system of 'go online to pay your toll' is a bit of a bloody joke 
a) the website crashes regularly
b) trying to register an account took 4 tries
c) once finally registered, you need to refresh the page to enter your license plate details
d) after having driven this highway twice last week, it says I owe nothing in tolls. What's the bet that if I believe that and go on with my life, I'll get a fine in about 6 months' time for 'failure to pay' (with a nice little admin fee tacked on)?
This little gem on their FAQ page made me snort: I tried to enter the license plate to make the payment and the system froze, what can I do? The error may have been caused by incorrect data entry.
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30.05.2023, 15:12
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| | Re: Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region | Quote: | |  | | | Italy never changes  | | | | | It says that I owe EUR 2,14, but it won't let me pay!
Tom
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30.05.2023, 20:21
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In the beginning I agree, it was a bit of a hassle. But I've now got the app and it works quite well.
My only gripe is that sometimes it does not remember my username or PW.
"d) after having driven this highway twice last week, it says I owe nothing in tolls. What's the bet that if I believe that and go on with my life, I'll get a fine in about 6 months' time for 'failure to pay' (with a nice little admin fee tacked on)?"
Yes you will  I suggest taking screenshots each day between day 10 and day 15. You can then prove THEY "forgot" and get the fine written off!
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30.05.2023, 21:02
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The system is even more annoying for telepass users. Aparently my telepass "should" pay automatically, but lately I've been getting "fines" instead. Isn't progress great?
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31.05.2023, 12:01
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I have progress to report after my irritated rant yesterday!
Based on LuganoPirate's suggestion, I downloaded the app. I didn't have high hopes for the functionality, but it's a far cry better than the 90s-esque webpage.
Once logged in, on a hunch I decided to delete everything in my profile (which had been entered via the webpage) and re-enter it all via the app.
Voila! My tolls suddenly appeared, and I was able to pay with my credit card.
I hope this helps anyone else who needs to deal with this ridiculous system.
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31.05.2023, 12:09
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I've only learned of this new system for paying for motorway tolls courtesy of this thread. The whole concept is completely mental. | This user would like to thank Bossa Nova for this useful post: | |
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