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Travel advisory (new toll road) Northern Italy Milano Region

A travel warning for those who will be driving around Milano, Como, Varese.
Pedemontana is an italian company that has opened some new highway tracts.
Highways in Italy are subject to a toll, which is usually collected at a tollbooth (cash, credit cards or electronic telepass devices).
The aforementioned Pedemontana tracts do not feature any tollbooth collecting facility, but instead they scan your plates - which you must register on their website and you have 15 days to pay your transit. Failing to pay allows them to offload to third party collection agency which will send a hefty bill (up to Eur 338 for one car transit!!).

Adding insult to injury:
a) If you should happen to take the A36 tract from the A8 or A9 motorways (Milano-Como, Milano-Varese) since you're already on a tollbooth highway you would probably fail to think that you need to pay extra

b) the A60 tract in Varese (between Gazzada and Lozza) is indicated, but the sign is hidden behind a bush and you'd probably miss it if you were overtaking a lorry or a bus. (the alternative road winds through multiple roundabouts and is heavily trafficked)

Additionally: the transits are not recorded real-time. It's up to you to remember to consult their website and to pay when they finally decide to communicate what is due. In my case I did one transit on jan 1st, which promptly showed up after a couple of hours. One transit on jan 2nd still isn't showing up, and so are yesterday's 2 transits.

If you think this advisory is of any help, please repost.





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Old 17.01.2016, 10:45
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Great, let them try it on with a non EU registered vehicle.
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Old 17.01.2016, 10:53
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

When did this start?

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When did this start?

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November 2015 IIRC

Thing is, it takes you a crapload of time to pay online, more than queuing at the tollbooth
But I s'pose that the toolbooth itself is more expensive to operate, heh...

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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Thanks. That's great information.
I was down there at the beginning of last week and took the new spur which is part of their network. I would have hated to get nailed....

And I checked and owed EUR 1.67....The credit card fees are probably bigger. But I would have been in blissful ignorance without Uncle Groove's post.

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Old 17.01.2016, 14:25
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Thank you.
Really helpful post.
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Thanks. That's great information.
I was down there at the beginning of last week and took the new spur which is part of their network. I would have hated to get nailed....

And I checked and owed EUR 1.67....The credit card fees are probably bigger. But I would have been in blissful ignorance without Uncle Groove's post.
So last week's transit shows up for you?
WTF - just checked right now and I don't see anything in my acct.
Deadline for jan 2nd payment was today - go figure!!


And again.
How can a company be allowed to run a business this way? Predatory to the point of almost being a scam.
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And again.
How can a company be allowed to run a business this way? Predatory to the point of almost being a scam.
Its Italy, that probably explains it.
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So last week's transit shows up for you?
WTF - just checked right now and I don't see anything in my acct.
Deadline for jan 2nd payment was today - go figure!!


And again.
How can a company be allowed to run a business this way? Predatory to the point of almost being a scam.
Well...the website is a shambles. Half of it is not translated. The english registration page didn't work so I had to try the Italian, which did work. The tolls didn't show immediately, but only after a couple of hours.

I am sure they will make a killing....

The trip was already a great success as my car was broken into overnight.
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Yeah, my parents were pi$$ed about it - first,the nuisance of months of road works that increased traffic. Secondly, having to pay toll for a road that really does not cut the distance all that much. They just don't use it since there are a lot of alternatives for where they need to go.
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Very sneaky!
Here is the link for toll calculation and this toll motorway endpoints.
https://apl.pedemontana.com/calcola-il-pedaggio
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New Free Flow Toll in Milan

I was in Milan for a short week end and I've noticed new signs along the Autostrada. I was curious and I realised I was on a new motorway (A36) with boothless tolls, it's called Free flow.
After looking it up online after my trip, I realised I had 15 days to pay the toll online, otherwise I would get a fine (85 euros) + admin fees to find me in Switzerland.
I find it quite amazing that you have to guess how to pay and get fined otherwise.
Beware.
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I was in Milan for a short week end and I've noticed new signs along the Autostrada. I was curious and I realised I was on a new motorway (A36) with boothless tolls, it's called Free flow.
After looking it up online after my trip, I realised I had 15 days to pay the toll online, otherwise I would get a fine (85 euros) + admin fees to find me in Switzerland.
I find it quite amazing that you have to guess how to pay and get fined otherwise.
Beware.
Hello,
I was also not aware of this new technology.
If it can be helpful here is the website where you can register and pay: https://apl.pedemontana.com/pagamento-occasionale
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Re: New Free Flow Toll in Milan

http://www.englishforum.ch/travel-da...no-region.html
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Re: Travel advisory (warning) Norther Italy Milano Region

Can an Italian fine be enforced on a Swiss registered vehicle? What happens if you don't pay?
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The trip was already a great success as my car was broken into overnight.
Sorry to hear about your misadventures... !! Where did that happen?
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Can an Italian fine be enforced on a Swiss registered vehicle? What happens if you don't pay?
That's the thing - they can hand over the fine to a collection agency and sooner or later it can find its way here to CH. This is what happens with the "Tutor" (i.e. the electronic device that calculates your average motorway speed) fines.

Never happened to me, but again I mostly drive within speed limits...
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That's the thing - they can hand over the fine to a collection agency and sooner or later it can find its way here to CH.
And then you ignore it as not enforceable in CH? AIUI - foreign (EU) debts can be chased through the Swiss courts, but first a court order has to be got in the EU country. Then they can apply for a judgement from a Swiss court.

(Not that I'm advocating refusing to pay legitimate fines).
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Sorry to hear about your misadventures... !! Where did that happen?
Sesto San Giovanni....The car was empty so they left empty-handed (which in a way makes it that much more annoying....)
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You can also pay directly with your phone via an app --> https://apl.pedemontana.com/app-gratuita-apl-free-flow...

You can have it on Apple and Android --> APL Free Flow

Search on Apple Store or on Google play for APL Free Flow

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