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Old 11.03.2016, 21:34
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As for Burner, I wonder who really has the tumour in his/her tumour.
He's just mad because we bashed his girlfriend (Essex bird) on another thread.

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Old 11.03.2016, 22:06
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An AWD is not better then any 2WD in breaking and stopping in icy condition. It is just better in going forward when you want it going forward.
Thats frankly rubbish. The AWD wont make it brake faster, but it does one job really well - make sure the car continues to drive into the direction you point it. And that was the very issue in this case - a rear wheel drive car is just a real handful to drive on snow. The first half of this winter did I drive a Benz with rear wheel drive and as soon as it snows are all the electronic helpers interfering in order to make it drive straight. Top tip> if your car keeps on working overtime to make you drive a straight line is it time to slow down. Now I have an all wheel drive and when it was snowing so suddenly in Zurich this week was I having a much easier time than many other drivers on the road.

The one thing that still bugs me in the OPs continuous post is the total disconnect between "the car spun off the highway at 120 kmh and is completely trashed" on the one hand and "she did not endanger anyone, the fine is unfair!" on the other. The only reason nobody else was hurt was the completely random fact that there happened to be no car following closely when the wife lost control over the car.

We all make driving mistakes at times, but I am man enough to admit when I screwed it up. And there really is nobody else around to blame for this one...

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Old 12.03.2016, 00:48
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He's just mad because we bashed his girlfriend (Essex bird) on another thread.

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Er, if it is me you are referring to, I'm from Sussex, not Essex, you ignorant creature.
And no, I'm not Burner's girlfriend. I'm married, thanks.

I see a lot of bullying goes on around here on the EF. All done by blokes (I'm thinking overweight bikers in their 50's with a few extra dozen kilos). Who enjoy 'bashing' newbies for a laugh. Pathetic!

This poster was in hospital, his wife had an accident on her way to see him, and all you can obsess about is the price of his car. Gotta feel sorry for you.
I don't think you're on top at all. More likely feeling miserable under.
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just to put things in perspective here, anyone has an idea what the size of the fine will be?
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This poster was in hospital, -irrelevant- his wife had an accident on her way to see him - she was driving too fast and could have killed someone-, and all you can obsess about is the price of his car. -he brought it up, thinking that throwing money at an over the top luxury car will make him safer- an attitude that makes the roads less safe for everyone else- ...

I just don't understand why the OP doesn't travel by private helicopter...
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Er, if it is me you are referring to, I'm from Sussex, not Essex, you ignorant creature.
And no, I'm not Burner's girlfriend. I'm married, thanks.

I see a lot of bullying goes on around here on the EF. All done by blokes (I'm thinking overweight bikers in their 50's with a few extra dozen kilos). Who enjoy 'bashing' newbies for a laugh. Pathetic!

This poster was in hospital, his wife had an accident on her way to see him, and all you can obsess about is the price of his car. Gotta feel sorry for you.
I don't think you're on top at all. More likely feeling miserable under.
Could you please tone down the rudeness in your posts a bit? Maybe it is not your intent, and yes, I could see it might be a knee-jerk reaction to what you perceive as bullying, but really, not only it is quite disturbing, but it does take away a lot from your arguments, even if valid.

We are mature adults I hope, there is no need for name calling and ad personam to make one's point.
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Old 12.03.2016, 09:32
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Hi dear friends of the forum,
...and a 186k car with all its technology couldn't do anything to stop because the road had ice and now I even have to pay for it??!!

I feel a little foolish, because when I read this part, I assumed that the OP meant that he had 186,000 km on his car, meaning that he's had it a while, knows it and obviously takes care of it. I was more than a little surprised when I realized that it was how much the car was worth.


It is probably just me, but all I could think was "what a waste of money" And then he went out and bought an even more expensive car! It makes me think that the underlying reason for this post really IS just about what he drives, because the fine certainly can't be an issue for him.
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Old 12.03.2016, 09:50
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Re: Crashed the car and of top I get a fine?? Please help

I wonder whether on the night of the crash there had been warnings on the Swiss radio network about there being the possibility of ice on the roads? I also wonder whether this might have been one of these stretches which are marked as likely to be icy.

Again though, this could happen to anyone. All you can do is minimise the risk - not remove it entirely.

btw - the highway wasn't deserted. She was overtaking someone. She put that slower car in danger. Except since the story has been deliberately written to a) cause consternation over the value of the car, b) has changed from being the OP to his wife on very spurious reasons and c) tries to garner sympathy by pretending the OP was in hospital - I don't believe a word of it.
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Old 12.03.2016, 09:55
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Re: Crashed the car and of top I get a fine?? Please help

how would this actually work with a car that can drive itself, like the Tesla? You would probably still get the fine but would it be possible to claim that the vehicle is unsafe at the car manufacturer?

(I understand now why they are testing in California)
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Old 12.03.2016, 09:59
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Thats frankly rubbish. The AWD wont make it brake faster, but it does one job really well - make sure the car continues to drive into the direction you point it.
In other words, just what I said. So why is it rubish?

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And that was the very issue in this case - a rear wheel drive car is just a real handful to drive on snow. The first half of this winter did I drive a Benz with rear wheel drive and as soon as it snows are all the electronic helpers interfering in order to make it drive straight. Top tip> if your car keeps on working overtime to make you drive a straight line is it time to slow down. Now I have an all wheel drive and when it was snowing so suddenly in Zurich this week was I having a much easier time than many other drivers on the road.
I was not talking about snow. I was talking about ice. Snow =/= Ice. There was no snow on Monday night, but it was cold and it was raining. It was ice. Only studs may help (Unfortunately, studs are not allowed on Swiss Autobahn and Autostrasse).
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Oh dear me. This is still here.
I had imagined I would look in this morning and find it gone, some Moderator having discovered that the Thread was the work of some bored EFer with a second identity, perhaps even a retired trailing spouse like me, who was hoping to liven up his/her boring existance by putting the cat among the pigeons for a couple of days. So many variations on the original story to keep interest levels high...
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Old 12.03.2016, 10:09
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Switzerland is fine for driving!
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how would this actually work with a car that can drive itself, like the Tesla?
FYI, the Tesla is not self-driving. I think you're thinking about Google's car
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Old 12.03.2016, 10:19
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how would this actually work with a car that can drive itself, like the Tesla? You would probably still get the fine but would it be possible to claim that the vehicle is unsafe at the car manufacturer?

(I understand now why they are testing in California)

Good question. The short answer is buy one from Apple, nothing ever goes wrong with their stuff, and even if it did, the police won't be able to recover the data.


The technological hurdles are only one aspect of self driving cars. Jurisprudence needs to get up to speed too. Though not specifically about self driving cars, here is a paper about "robot Law": http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2737598


Although you can't pass responsibility for a misbehaving dog back to the breeder, presumably with a self driving car you could.


The interesting bit will be the transition period when the roads carry a mix of human and automatically controlled cars: Will the "last man in" rule in rear enders still apply when the last man in was a Human (with a reaction time of 0.7 - 3.0 sec) and (s)he hit a driverless car with lord knows what reaction time?
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Oh dear me. This is still here.
I had imagined I would look in this morning and find it gone, some Moderator having discovered that the Thread was the work of some bored EFer with a second identity, perhaps even a retired trailing spouse like me, who was hoping to liven up his/her boring existance by putting the cat among the pigeons for a couple of days. So many variations on the original story to keep interest levels high...
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btw - the highway wasn't deserted. She was overtaking someone. She put that slower car in danger. Except since the story has been deliberately written to a) cause consternation over the value of the car, b) has changed from being the OP to his wife on very spurious reasons and c) tries to garner sympathy by pretending the OP was in hospital - I don't believe a word of it.
Well, it did become the "Friday Thread", so mission accomplished!
It continues to support my hypothesis that these threads are created to keep the hits up on EF.

Yet another "hostility on EF" thread

We had a couple contenders yesterday; Both started by newbs:

1. Rich, privileged, non winter driver ( where from I wonder????) complaining about how unfair the penalties and rules are in CH. The story morphs as the evening goes on (introduces idea of women drivers - maybe because the intl woman's day thread was getting traction earlier in the week)?

2. Posh (Sussex), petulant, IT challenged trailing spouse who comes out of the saloon, guns blazing, ready to take on all comers. White knight comes through later, reinforcing how mean EF is, groaning each post, and let's introduce the concept of rude Swiss (and French) while we are at it.


I'll go put my tin foil hat back on now.
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Could you please tone down the rudeness in your posts a bit? Maybe it is not your intent, and yes, I could see it might be a knee-jerk reaction to what you perceive as bullying, but really, not only it is quite disturbing, but it does take away a lot from your arguments, even if valid.

We are mature adults I hope, there is no need for name calling and ad personam to make one's point.
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Er, if it is me you are referring to, I'm from Sussex, not Essex, you ignorant creature.
And no, I'm not Burner's girlfriend. I'm married, thanks.

I see a lot of bullying goes on around here on the EF. All done by blokes (I'm thinking overweight bikers in their 50's with a few extra dozen kilos). Who enjoy 'bashing' newbies for a laugh. Pathetic!

This poster was in hospital, his wife had an accident on her way to see him, and all you can obsess about is the price of his car. Gotta feel sorry for you.
I don't think you're on top at all. More likely feeling miserable under.

You have hit the nail on the head.

Bully and mobbing in general is their reason for being on the board.

Based upon what they post up, their lives are clearly bereft of entertainment and friendship.

The majority of them are poor and educated in the softer topics, there are exceptions.p of course.

Many display avarice when someone references the lifestyle that goes with an income of CHF120-259K, as if it is boasting.

As you can see they are currently trying to attack a lady who crashed a nice car while driving to her husbands hospital.

A sad lot, with a few exceptions.

PS the above post by vfr is a clear case of em trying to rationalise their behaviours
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You have hit the nail on the head.

Bully and mobbing in general is their reason for being on the board.

Based upon what they post up, their lives are clearly bereft of entertainment and friendship.

The majority of them are poor and educated in the softer topics, there are exceptions.p of course.

Many display avarice when someone references the lifestyle that goes with an income of CHF120-259K, as if it is boasting.

As you can see they are currently trying to attack a lady who crashed a nice car while driving to her husbands hospital.

A sad lot, with a few exceptions.
So if you clearly feel so abused, hate us all and think we are all dumb, what are you doing here? Just for the fun of trolling?
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It is probably just me, but all I could think was "what a waste of money" And then he went out and bought an even more expensive car! It makes me think that the underlying reason for this post really IS just about what he drives, because the fine certainly can't be an issue for him.
Well, it can become an issue as fines at this level are calculated based on income.
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I just don't understand why the OP doesn't travel by private helicopter...
My daily driver cost chf 2.5m and costs me 500 chuffs a year in running costs.

And I've got a chauffeur.

Thanks SBB.
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Many display avarice when someone references the lifestyle that goes with an income of CHF120-259K, as if it is boasting.
LOL. 260k? That's just my base salary. You mistake avarice for contempt.

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