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Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

I see that volvo has an expat program where you can buy a car and keep in in CH for first 2 years without paying the tax.

Do any other car makes have similar deals?

Also, I have a 2013 Honda Pilot worth ~28,000 USD that I could import (i estimate 7000-8000 CHF for transport and conversion). I am wondering whether thats the better deal - but of course then i have to transport it back as no one is going to want such a unique and large car in CH after i leave, right?
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

Each and every car dealer in CH will be happy to sell you a tax (approx. 11%) free vehicle.

Provided you qualify to be tax exempt by the Swiss authorities (i.e. you have diplomatic or official status in CH -- papers issued by Swiss MFA).

Three years down the line one can also sell such a vehicle without any additional tax. If sold within first three years to a non-exempt person, the tax has to be paid.

In addition, all major manufacturers have diplomatic programme - prices normally 30% cheaper than on Swiss market - like BMW, Mercedes or Volvo that you mentioned.

Being expat per se has nothing to do with this.
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

thank you - but that is not the question. I am an expat, not a diplomat. Volvo has an expat program in addition to a diplomat program.
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Volvo has an expat program in addition to a diplomat program.
Perhaps it does. However in any case, this has nothing to do with paying taxes or not - something that you referred to in your initial post.

One is tax exempted by the Swiss authorities, and not by Volvo.
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

Again, no thats not true.

If you buy from the volvo expat program you dont have to pay the taxes if you leave within 2 years... i really am just asking for some advice from someone who has considered these options and whether there are other automakers that have a similar program.

http://www.volvocars.com/diplomat/ex...in-switzerland

its an extension of the diplomat program but is for people who are living in switzerland temporarily as well.
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

What advice are you seeking?

I had a look at the "Expat offers" they have - and they don't even look that special - you'll get just as much off (as a %) if you bargain hard at a dealer. In fact BMW have some seriously good offers on run-out F10/11 5-series at the moment.

Or you could buy a 12mth old car?
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

that very helpful, thanks. I guess its mainly a tax deal. but not sure how big of deal that is? i could definitely buy a 12 month old car - or again, import my 3 year old car, which is a honda pilot (fairly large SUV)

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I had a look at the "Expat offers" they have - and they don't even look that special - you'll get just as much off (as a %) if you bargain hard at a dealer. In fact BMW have some seriously good offers on run-out F10/11 5-series at the moment.

Or you could buy a 12mth old car?
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that very helpful, thanks. I guess its mainly a tax deal. but not sure how big of deal that is? i could definitely buy a 12 month old car - or again, import my 3 year old car, which is a honda pilot (fairly large SUV)
Dude, don't you get it? There is no "tax deal" for non-diplomats. You will pay the Swiss VAT. What Volvo is trying to do here is quite simple: They are targeting Europeans who will live in Switzerland mid-term, but ultimately plan to go back to their home country. These people buy a car in Switzerland, drive it for some years and can then bring it back to say the Netherlands or Norway, Denmark, Sweden... without paying the local tax - wich is a multiple of what you pay in Switzerland. To sum up "the deal": "Why don't you buy a large, new car so you can save some potential tax you might have to pay five years down the line?"...
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

You know, I've been using forums for 25+ years. And I have to say, these expat forums are the most prolific sources of mis-information I've ever seen. What you are saying is patently untrue. You do not pay the Swiss VAT on these cars. You have the car 'temporarily' for 2 years, and volvo then ships the car back to the US for you, without it ever having been a taxed in switzerland. You are given special tax exempt plates. Please just stay out of it if you dont know what you are talking about.

if you want to know what you are talking about, read http://www.volvocars.com/diplomat/ex...am/us-citizens


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Dude, don't you get it? There is no "tax deal" for non-diplomats. You will pay the Swiss VAT. What Volvo is trying to do here is quite simple: They are targeting Europeans who will live in Switzerland mid-term, but ultimately plan to go back to their home country. These people buy a car in Switzerland, drive it for some years and can then bring it back to say the Netherlands or Norway, Denmark, Sweden... without paying the local tax - wich is a multiple of what you pay in Switzerland. To sum up "the deal": "Why don't you buy a large, new car so you can save some potential tax you might have to pay five years down the line?"...
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You know, I've been using forums for 25+ years. And I have to say, these expat forums are the most prolific sources of mis-information I've ever seen. What you are saying is patently untrue. You do not pay the Swiss VAT on these cars. You have the car 'temporarily' for 2 years, and volvo then ships the car back to the US for you, without it ever having been a taxed in switzerland. You are given special tax exempt plates. Please just stay out of it if you dont know what you are talking about.

if you want to know what you are talking about, read http://www.volvocars.com/diplomat/ex...am/us-citizens
If you know so much about it why are you asking us??

Combining the Volvo link which is most applicable for your situation and experience of the customs situation my understanding is:
1) You are buying the car free of any duties liable on the new price
2) In Switzerland the car is registered on -Z plates.
3) If you stay longer than 2 years you will be required to pay Swiss import tax on the value of the car at 2 years old
3) If you leave you will be required to pay import tax on the value of the car at your destination country
4) If you sell the car in Switzerland before the 2 years is up you will be liable for the Swiss import taxes as per the date of registration/import
5) -Z plate cars have higher insurance premiums.

IMHO it works if you were planning to buy a replacement vehicle at the time of your move and that the replacement vehicle is to be brand new. If you are staying in Switzerland for 1-2 years you'd be advised to buy a 3-5yr old car - and then sell it cheaply when you leave.
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

Hi,

Thanks - actually, this is a great summary - and I didn't know that -Z plates have higher insurance premiums, though that makes sense. I actually really do want help, but i've been surprised by the number of people who just respond with such certainty, though with such wrong information. (i think your summary is dead on)

I am pretty sure i will be there for under 2 years (but of course... best laid plans...) The alternative is to import my car. I guess i need to figure out if I am really getting a better price by buying at the US MSRP - i heard that cars in switzerland are much more expensive than the US. If thats true, maybe this is a deal?
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I am pretty sure i will be there for under 2 years
why not have a public transport subscription and rent a car if you need it?
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I am pretty sure i will be there for under 2 years (but of course... best laid plans...) The alternative is to import my car. I guess i need to figure out if I am really getting a better price by buying at the US MSRP - i heard that cars in switzerland are much more expensive than the US. If thats true, maybe this is a deal?
IMHO - you'll have an easier life selling your oversized hateful American SUV (ignore the badge it is made in Alabama - and I'm not a fan ) and then buying a 4 year old car off fleet on a 2 year lease.
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;-) not at all judgmental are you?

expats are such an interesting bunch.
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Re: Expat car sales - e.g. volvo

if you check this thread, you can get a car for 7'900 which is probably a bigger saving than whatever 'tax deal' volvo is going to give you

What's the cheapest new 4+ seat car you can buy in Switzerland?
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I am pretty sure i will be there for under 2 years (but of course... best laid plans...) The alternative is to import my car. I guess i need to figure out if I am really getting a better price by buying at the US MSRP - i heard that cars in switzerland are much more expensive than the US. If thats true, maybe this is a deal?
Most likely not worth the hassle to import. As far as I can tell the Pilot is not sold in CH (and most of europe), so you will have to go extra steps to show that it can be up to local specifications: engine is different, lights are different, you can expect to have a few mods done.
And then since your car is "exotic", registration will be expensive, insurance will be both hard to get and expensive, repairs, well you will experience swiss prices there too...
Keep in mind that having a big gas guzzler here is unpractical and expensive to fill up to, gas is ~1.35 CHF/L now, and you will have a hard time reselling it afterwards.
In summary, cheaper on paper, but not down the road...
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Again, no thats not true.
Again, sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about .

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If you buy from the volvo expat program you dont have to pay the taxes if you leave within 2 years...

If you buy from ANY car dealer, you don't have to pay the taxes PROVIDED you are TAX-EXEMPT by the Swiss authorities.


In fact, it goes for any country in the world. It's the authorities that collect taxes, and not the car dealers.

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its an extension of the diplomat program but is for people who are living in switzerland temporarily as well.
And what does this link tell you? Precisely what I was telling you from the start - it's available to people who live temporarily in Switzerland, hence are tax exempt by the Swiss authorities.
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