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Old 19.05.2016, 11:52
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Re: Does the police cares about electric longboard?

An Italian told me once, "Everything in Italy is allowed until it is forbidden, but in Switzerland everything is forbidden until it is allowed."

Why bring trouble for yourself, by using something that is not permitted in a public place?

There is a thread on this very subject, try http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-lif...sidewalks.html

You could buy a used electric bicycle and be completely legal, and safer, as it has brakes (Not breaks, ha ha!)

I used to live in Vuadens. It will be the neighbours that denounce you to the police.
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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If the kitten huggers really want to get their knickers twisted they should witness the skateboarders coming down Zuriberg and Adlisberg - cornering on their (gloved) hands and going down 1-way streets the wrong way.
Nit, pick: skateboarders (without them 'lectric motors) are treated as pedestrians by law, and thus aren't restricted by vehicle traffic rules such as 1-way street signs. (Jaywalking and endangering traffic, on the other hand, might apply.)

In some forward leaning countries electric skateboards (which are a very, very different beast from these "hoverboard" travesties or e-scooters) are on par with electric bicycles. I hope that's what gets enacted here eventually. They're actually pretty convenient mid-distance transporters.

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Old 25.09.2016, 19:54
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An Italian told me once, "Everything in Italy is allowed until it is forbidden, but in Switzerland everything is forbidden until it is allowed."
They plagerised that quote, the correct one is:

"The difference between Ticino and the rest of Switzerland is that in Ticino, everything is allowed uless it is forbidden, whereas in the other parts everything is forbidden unless it is allowed."

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Old 25.09.2016, 22:01
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They plagerised that quote, the correct one is:

"The difference between Ticino and the rest of Switzerland is that in Ticino, everything is allowed uless it is forbidden, whereas in the other parts everything is forbidden unless it is allowed."

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Of course the list of things that are forbidden is really, really, really long.
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Old 25.09.2016, 22:02
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Of course the list of things that are forbidden is really, really, really long.
Perhaps, but no one in Ticino cares.

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They plagerised that quote, the correct one is:

"The difference between Ticino and the rest of Switzerland is that in Ticino, everything is allowed uless it is forbidden, whereas in the other parts everything is forbidden unless it is allowed."

Tom
Back in the late 1960s, when I first heard that kind of saying, it went, "In Germany, everything is forbidden unless it is allowed. In France, everything is allowed unless it is forbidden. In Italy, everything is allowed even when it is forbidden. And east of the Iron Curtain, everything is forbidden, even when it is allowed."
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Old 26.09.2016, 11:17
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

There should also be a warning on the box of these hoverboards that advises you not to take a dog for a walk with them.

Had to pick up and dust down some teenage lad yesterday afternoon whose mum's Bichon Frise ankle-biter decided to chase a crow. Teenage boy ended up using all the skin on his elbow to stop and the hoverboard skidded under a parked car.

Be warned, kids!
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Old 26.09.2016, 11:33
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Nit, pick: skateboarders (without them 'lectric motors) are treated as pedestrians by law, and thus aren't restricted by vehicle traffic rules such as 1-way street signs. (Jaywalking and endangering traffic, on the other hand, might apply.)

In some forward leaning countries electric skateboards (which are a very, very different beast from these "hoverboard" travesties or e-scooters) are on par with electric bicycles. I hope that's what gets enacted here eventually. They're actually pretty convenient mid-distance transporters.
The point was not wether or not a skateboard is legal, but these guys at the places Ken mentioned are doing easily over 30 kmh without brakes in a tight one-way downhill street where I as a motorist going up can not expect them to do so... or see them coming. It is some fatal crashes waiting to happen.

P.S: Electric skateboards are in no way "on par" with an e-bike. E-bikes have the brakes and stability of a light motorcycle, most actually even better... an electric skateboard is nowhere near as safe in traffic.
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Really wish my better half had read this post before buying me a segway mini pro for my big 50th birthday present. we had seen hundreds of them over the past year on the streets of basel intermittently, so had not thought anything about it. Police pulled up next to us while I was out this evening, and told us it was illegal. I got off immediately and told them I did not know, they did not fine me, but we carried it home quite sad, 750 in the toilet... and this sucks. Is there any chance someday this rule will be revisited
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Well, it seems my segway mini pro, being a segway, is potentially legal in bicycle lanes in switzerland - according to this article in the local.
https://www.thelocal.ch/20150415/gov...iss-bike-lanes

The article was before this thread, anyone venture a guess at how I get a definitive answer as to what I can and can not do with it legally?
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Old 08.07.2017, 10:14
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

I don't have time at the moment to find the links but Segways (at least some models) are legal in CH but need a license plate (the small yellow one similar to motor scooters). Given the model you have the police associated it with a hooverboard which is not legal to ride on public roadways/sidewalks. But it may also be a case that only the big/original model is legal.

Best bet (on a yes/no answer) is to go to the BS/BL license centre and try to get a license for it.
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Old 10.07.2017, 23:02
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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The exception is if a BB is ridden by a disabled person (don't ask me how that makes sense).
I've seen it, so it makes sense.

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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Accidentally deleted the post so here it is again:

According to the Beobachter it depends.

I'll use "BB" as a general reference for balance boards, hoverboards, monowheels, Segways, etc.

BB need to be approved, by type or individually, otherwise they're banned from all public-owned areas (roads, sidewalks, pedestrian zones, etc). If approved they need a small yellow plate to be used legally. Like a Motorfahrrad the BBs must stay on the roads, on the right side of the rightmost lane or in the bicycle lane if present. The exception is if a BB is ridden by a disabled person (don't ask me how that makes sense). Persons aged 14-15 need a category M permit; above age 15 no permit is required.

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According to the current regulation (Art. 5 Abs. 2 Lit e. VZV) no license is needed at all. If relevant to you you want to seek updated information. It could be that the Beobachter article simply is outdated as the VZV is more recent.

The vast majority of all BB's have not been approved thus are banned from roads, sidewalks, etc. without individual test. Don't buy without confirmation it's been approved if you want to use it on public-owned areas.

As for Segways, their Website says you need a certain kit to make them roadworthy plus some paper (Konformitätserklärung? Declaration of conformity?) to get the yellow plate.

If you're involved in an accident with an illegal vehicle you're automatically the culprit, with all that entails including possibly reduced or complete lack of insurance protection.
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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I've seen it, so it makes sense.

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This category of vehicles typically requires increased command of the body. Typically that doesn't apply to handicapped people, that's where I see a contradiction. Good for anybody still able to use them of course.
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Old 11.07.2017, 00:21
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This category of vehicles typically requires increased command of the body. Typically that doesn't apply to handicapped people, that's where I see a contradiction. Good for anybody still able to use them of course.
People who lack the strength to walk long distances, but who are not yet confined to wheelchairs, for example.

There are several around Lugano that I have seen.

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Old 16.10.2017, 14:39
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

It seems that Bern is reviewing the whole question of hoverboards and other "vehicles" of the same type. For the moment there are no new rules or legislation announced.

Here is the current LEGAL situation (in FR - but relatively easy to see what is what with the colour coding). To help - first column is sidewalk, second is bike lane, third is roadway.

Link (from 24heures) : https://files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/4/144197.pdf

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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Any idea which actual law is the justification for these rules / tables?

I can't see any actual traffic law which covers them - the closest thing would probably be the rules for other motorised things like wheelchairs, hence the exemptions for disabled people.

Is this what is being applied?
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Old 16.10.2017, 16:19
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Here is the attachment from 2015 that Bern put out when they said ok to the Segways.

Link (FR) : https://www.newsd.admin.ch/newsd/mes...ents/40242.pdf

Here is the FR document that covers these items (see article 18 on mopeds): https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classifi...165/index.html
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