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Old 16.05.2016, 11:04
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Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

You can find these "hoverboards" - battery operated two wheel skate boards for sale all over CH.

Many stores forget to mention (or only in the very small print) that these hoverboards are not approved for use (homologuer in FR) and are not legal on streets or side-walks in CH. So in effect, they are being sold to be used only on private property.

If the police/cantonal automobile service decide to fine the person they have a number of options. Fine number 1: "driving" a motorized vehicle without 3rd party insurance (which you can not get since the hoverboard is not approved - so any accident comes out of your pocket!) Fine number 2: driving a motorized vehicle on the sidewalk (only electric wheelchairs are allowed). Fine number 3: if the person is less than 16 s/he must have a license to drive a motorized bike to be riding a hoverboard (even though they are not approved).

The police of course have a lot of discretion in these cases as it is up to them to take the first step with the fine. A 15 year old in Vaud has recently been fined CHF 400 + costs based on the above issues.

So it might be worthwhile to leave the hoverboard idea aside for the moment.
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:18
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

I saw a guy on one on Saturday so I guess it's really not common knowledge... maybe the police should ask the stores to publicise this a little more!
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:19
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Neighbours kids are always hovering around in them

They seem more likely to cause harm to the person riding them than members of the public, but damage to 3rd party property is also possible in case they crash into parked cars for example.
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:29
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

These hoverboards only being legal on private property seems to be the norm everywhere so why don't governments just ban the sale of them. Or insist it's made clear in large script on the packaging that they can't be used anywhere other than on private property.

Of course, most people who have them do know - they just ignore it.
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:38
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

According to the Swiss French consumer magazine "Mieux choisir" most stores hide behind the fact that there is no legal requirement to inform the consumer about the legal issues relating to the use of the hoverboards on roads and side-walks. Hey if you can make the sale, why not.

Some of these little puppies cost CHF 900!
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:40
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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Some of these little puppies cost CHF 900!
TIS ! Paying CHF 900 for something you can barely use
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Old 16.05.2016, 11:55
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According to the Swiss French consumer magazine "Mieux choisir" most stores hide behind the fact that there is no legal requirement to inform the consumer about the legal issues relating to the use of the hoverboards on roads and side-walks. Hey if you can make the sale, why not.
It's the same with electric shock collars. These are illegal for Hans Ueli Hundehalter to use; only certain certified professionals, who must apply for a yearly permit, may use these. Yet you can find them for sale at every pet store in Switzerland, and every store is happy to make a profit selling to Hans Ueli Hundehalter something that he may not legally use.
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Old 16.05.2016, 14:49
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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I saw a guy on one on Saturday so I guess it's really not common knowledge... maybe the police should ask the stores to publicise this a little more!

Why should the police advertise? This is a great revenue source
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Old 16.05.2016, 15:38
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Hoverboard has operating restrictions in California & New York. Banned on roads and pavements in Germany, Holland, & Britain,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-balancing_scooter

Only the Segway PTi2 is permitted in restricted places in Switzerland. In the USA, only with restrictions & in certain places.
In Britain & Canada banned in public, & only allowed on private land,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segway_PT#Switzerland

So after considering all the restrictions placed on the earlier Segway, which is usually considered to be an unorthodox motorised vehicle, why shouldn't the Hoverboard be banned in public places?

There are many things people are not allowed to bring onto public roads and side walks, dangerous animals, aeroplanes etc, so let the buyer beware.
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Old 16.05.2016, 16:30
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Them´s not hoverboards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEDrMriKsFM
this is a hoverboard.
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Old 16.05.2016, 17:19
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Them´s not hoverboards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEDrMriKsFM
this is a hoverboard.
That would be... if only it were real.

Interesting edits -- where's the take-off, and the landing? Where and what is the fuel? Where's the (miniaturized) gas turbine engine? How does the board stay stable? etc.
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Old 16.05.2016, 18:02
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

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It's the same with electric shock collars.
When we took the mandatory theory training, it was made explicit that the use of electric shock collars is prohibited.
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When we took the mandatory theory training, it was made explicit that the use of electric shock collars is prohibited.
Very glad to hear it!

(And another reason why I find the SKN classes so valuable, and urge every dog owner to take them, even if not required.)
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Old 16.05.2016, 18:26
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When we took the mandatory theory training, it was made explicit that the use of electric shock collars is prohibited.
Electric shock collars are indeed prohibited for almost everyone in Switzerland -- but meloncollie's point was that they are legally available for sale here.

You can buy them, but you're not permitted to use them.
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Old 16.05.2016, 18:38
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

A few kids were hovering on the 30 km/hr street outside yesterday...
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Electric shock collars are indeed prohibited for almost everyone in Switzerland -- but meloncollie's point was that they are legally available for sale here.

You can buy them, but you're not permitted to use them.
And tragically, exactly because you can buy them too many people think that they are allowed.

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Just the other day while out walking I heard a dog in the distance shriek every few seconds. As we got closer I saw what was happening - a poor ca. 6 month old puppy was wearing an electric shock collar. The owner was supposedly teaching the pup to walk to heel. Everytime the pup broke out in front of or behind the owner's knee he was zapped.

By the time I got to him the dog was in a panic. I took the collar off the pup and told the owner that these things were illegal, quoting chapter and verse of the TSchV. The owner's response was predictable: "Why would they sell them if they are illegal to use?"

And no... the owner had not done the SKN classes, had never heard of them, did not understand that he was required to take them.

Some days I despair...
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Old 16.05.2016, 18:48
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Electric shock collars are indeed prohibited for almost everyone in Switzerland --
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A few kids were hovering on the 30 km/hr street outside yesterday...
If the collars are probited for 'almost everyone in Switzerland' could they perhaps be permitted for use on the kids as a deterrent then?
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Old 16.05.2016, 18:56
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That would be... if only it were real.

Interesting edits -- where's the take-off, and the landing? Where and what is the fuel? Where's the (miniaturized) gas turbine engine? How does the board stay stable? etc.
I want to believe…
However having said that, the fuel tank is on his back and the thing has four turbines.
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/jc-p200-rx.html
just these off the shelf turbines, a bit bigger than a beer can, have 52 lbs thrust.
It would seem to be legit but perhaps some of our flyboys can tell us more.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/15/11...oard-interview
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Re: Be aware - Hoverboards are illegal on streets and sidewalks

Has anyone told Michael J. Fox?
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Has anyone told Michael J. Fox?
Well he could be walking the dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGTUefc2-PY
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