Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07.08.2016, 19:19
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 28
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
migshan has become a little unpopularmigshan has become a little unpopular
Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Hi folks,

I am looking for a used Toyota RAV4 and have identified a few on comparis that meet my criteria, sold by dealers.

Are there any strategies that can be used to buy a used car from dealers?

That is, are listed prices negotiable and, if so, what factors come into play?

I am wondering (hoping) that I could try to bargain a certain % off the price -- that is, dealers are usually wiling to knock x% off the listed price. ?

Any advice is greatly appreciated -- I see quite "at sea" trying to buy a used car here.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08.08.2016, 09:24
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,690
Groaned at 281 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
Any advice is greatly appreciated -- I see quite "at sea" trying to buy a used car here.
Then get someone who knows their apples to go with you!!!

Apart from that - there is not hard and fast rule for negotiating some places will knock a bit off - but don't expect great chunks taken off. Know the prices of similar cars in the area to know what is a good/fair price.

You're better off buying from a village mechanic - getting a fresh MFK and new winter wheels/tyres then trying to save 500chf elsewhere.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank dodgyken for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 08.08.2016, 09:38
JagWaugh's Avatar
RIP
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 7,273
Groaned at 47 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 14,131 Times in 5,506 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
You're better off buying from a village mechanic - getting a fresh MFK and new winter wheels/tyres then trying to save 500chf elsewhere.

Wholeheartedly agree. A village mechanic has a lot more to lose by ripping a customer off.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 08.08.2016, 10:47
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 11,811
Groaned at 298 Times in 255 Posts
Thanked 22,259 Times in 8,084 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
That is, are listed prices negotiable and, if so, what factors come into play?
Short answer: hardly. Overall do Swiss dealers expect to get paid what they write on the sticker... haggling is pretty unusual here. I managed to knock a few percent off, or get a set of wheels thrown in... but don't expect the sticker price to be inflated by 10 percent waiting for you to negotiate them down...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 08.08.2016, 10:58
Cata1yst's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Zugish
Posts: 562
Groaned at 18 Times in 10 Posts
Thanked 722 Times in 328 Posts
Cata1yst has a reputation beyond reputeCata1yst has a reputation beyond reputeCata1yst has a reputation beyond reputeCata1yst has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
Short answer: hardly. Overall do Swiss dealers expect to get paid what they write on the sticker... haggling is pretty unusual here. I managed to knock a few percent off, or get a set of wheels thrown in... but don't expect the sticker price to be inflated by 10 percent waiting for you to negotiate them down...
I agree completely with the above.

This is where preparation comes in, search search and search online, get a good idea of the prices and options of the model you are interested in. See a few cars and never make a decision until you've slept on it.

good luck
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08.08.2016, 11:11
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 99
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts
GoonerRob has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Main Dealers are best for deals, my first BMW I managed to get 22,000 off price, sales guy was a little shocked I pushed and pushed.


Also new cars can work out cheaper than 6 month old ones, check if you company gets discount of main dealer, mine get 12%, some up to 25% - then haggle for winter wheels & tyres and any extras.


Guy I work with got 40K off a new car when dealer registered it for 1 day in their name then sold it to him as a used car.


Also look for stock cars, always deals going.


some dealers doing 1% lease deals too...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank GoonerRob for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 08.08.2016, 11:16
bigblue2's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Glarus
Posts: 8,086
Groaned at 486 Times in 405 Posts
Thanked 14,715 Times in 5,780 Posts
bigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond reputebigblue2 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
Main Dealers are best for deals, my first BMW I managed to get 22,000 off price, sales guy was a little shocked I pushed and pushed.


Also new cars can work out cheaper than 6 month old ones, check if you company gets discount of main dealer, mine get 12%, some up to 25% - then haggle for winter wheels & tyres and any extras.


Guy I work with got 40K off a new car when dealer registered it for 1 day in their name then sold it to him as a used car.


Also look for stock cars, always deals going.


some dealers doing 1% lease deals too...

doesn't really help someone who's looking for a 2nd hand rav 4

As others have said, never managed to get anything off the sticker price here, best we've managed so far is a set of winter tires thrown in, but we had to buy new wheels from the dealer at the same time.

swiss garages are doing you a favour by allowing you to buy there cars, always remember that
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank bigblue2 for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 08.08.2016, 12:43
miniMia's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: romandie
Posts: 9,993
Groaned at 101 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 9,106 Times in 4,522 Posts
miniMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post

Guy I work with got 40K off a new car when dealer registered it for 1 day in their name then sold it to him as a used car.
So, the car was free?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08.08.2016, 14:18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Reinach (BL)
Posts: 292
Groaned at 20 Times in 17 Posts
Thanked 284 Times in 153 Posts
dajegas has earned the respect of manydajegas has earned the respect of manydajegas has earned the respect of many
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Last deal I made I got new winter tyres on separate (new) wheel set and a 2 years guarantee extension (car had summer tyres mounted on alloy wheels). Paid full price dealer asked and I was happy with the outcome.

Dealer is actually a Toyota garage that happens to have a 2nd hand "Toyota RAV-4 2.0 16V Mountain". No idea about price and specs though, just thought it might be interesting for you to compare.

Hope this helps.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 13.08.2016, 14:07
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Zürich
Posts: 28
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
migshan has become a little unpopularmigshan has become a little unpopular
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Brief update: I used comparis to locate my preferred model/make etc. Visited three dealers. 1st: car had sold 2 weeks prior; 2nd: car had sold 3 weeks prior; 3rd car: the salesman was home sick and no one knew anything about the car or sales.

Lesson 1: phone ahead.
Lesson 2: I have been told that autoscout24 is more up-to-date. I don't know this for a fact, but comparis does list cars that are already sold.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 13.08.2016, 14:16
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,992
Groaned at 283 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 18,965 Times in 7,510 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
... don't expect the sticker price to be inflated by 10 percent waiting for you to negotiate them down...
Right, expect only the first half of that phrase: that the sticker price will be inflated by (at least) 10%.
Quote:
View Post
some dealers doing 1% lease deals too...
Some are doing 0% deals right now (sort of — the deal is pay one third now, another one third after one year, and the final one third after two years).
Quote:
View Post
I have been told that autoscout24 is more up-to-date. I don't know this for a fact, but comparis does list cars that are already sold.
Comparis simply aggregates ads from various sources. You can and should always check the original ad (the source is shown on Comparis). However, all Comparis can do is pull together information that's out there on the web — if the original ad is out of date, so too will Comparis be.

Last edited by 22 yards; 13.08.2016 at 14:26.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06.09.2016, 23:11
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 564
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 746 Times in 292 Posts
eairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

I'm about to buy a car here too. Done my reading, but still have Qs.

Manufacturers New price for what I want with the extras is around 38k. I've looked on comparis and there are a range of examples available, from new pre reg cars with delivery kilometres only to 1 year old under 10k miles.

Plenty of options, Prices from 28k to 31k. The 31k is new. the model engine and spec i would have ordered anyway. Main Dealer has had it since Jan. Price dropped from 34k a few months ago. He has another one in a different colour about the same price.

What do you think are my chances of negotiating a set of winters/all seasons?

Second, several of the used examples are advertised by a second hand dealer called Franz. I see their sticker on lots of cars here in Zurich. Any thoughts/experiences?

Third: lease or buy? I have the cash, but which is more tax efficient. Assuming you can get a lease deal on pre owned cars here.

Regards


Ian
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06.09.2016, 23:57
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
I'm about to buy a car here too. Done my reading, but still have Qs.

Manufacturers New price for what I want with the extras is around 38k. I've looked on comparis and there are a range of examples available, from new pre reg cars with delivery kilometres only to 1 year old under 10k miles.

Plenty of options, Prices from 28k to 31k. The 31k is new. the model engine and spec i would have ordered anyway. Main Dealer has had it since Jan. Price dropped from 34k a few months ago. He has another one in a different colour about the same price.

What do you think are my chances of negotiating a set of winters/all seasons?

Second, several of the used examples are advertised by a second hand dealer called Franz. I see their sticker on lots of cars here in Zurich. Any thoughts/experiences?

Third: lease or buy? I have the cash, but which is more tax efficient. Assuming you can get a lease deal on pre owned cars here.

Regards


Ian
If you can pay cash, pay cash, it's yours to do whatever you want and insurance is cheaper
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07.09.2016, 01:28
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,992
Groaned at 283 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 18,965 Times in 7,510 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
Third: lease or buy? I have the cash, but which is more tax efficient. Assuming you can get a lease deal on pre owned cars here.
Leasing is not tax-deductible for private taxpayers. Interest on money borrowed (but not leases) is. Interest rates ere very low (so the deduction won't be much), but if you can invest your cash to earn more than the loan costs you, you're well ahead.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07.09.2016, 09:19
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 564
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 746 Times in 292 Posts
eairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Thanks for advice so far.

But if a company pays, leasing is deductable? If so, I might have to have a word with my employer about our new Company Car policy...

Regards



Ian
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07.09.2016, 09:51
eyebeebe's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Pfäffikon SZ
Posts: 1,858
Groaned at 17 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 2,179 Times in 988 Posts
eyebeebe has a reputation beyond reputeeyebeebe has a reputation beyond reputeeyebeebe has a reputation beyond reputeeyebeebe has a reputation beyond reputeeyebeebe has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Deductible for the company from their tax bill. As it is a taxable benefit to you, your tax would actually go up. Not an expert on tax law and company cars can get very messy, but the simple assumption is that the annual cost of the lease and any other costs the company pays on your behalf would be added to your taxable income. Equally it could be nothing of the sort - it could be based on CO2 emissions or engine capacity. I'd recommend getting some advice from an expert first.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07.09.2016, 10:28
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,362
Groaned at 412 Times in 306 Posts
Thanked 19,285 Times in 10,373 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
Deductible for the company from their tax bill..
No, deductible against their profits (if any), not their tax bill.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07.09.2016, 11:32
22 yards's Avatar
Only in moderation
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 8,992
Groaned at 283 Times in 224 Posts
Thanked 18,965 Times in 7,510 Posts
22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute22 yards has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Quote:
View Post
No, deductible against their profits (if any), not their tax bill.
You know what he meant...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank 22 yards for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 07.09.2016, 15:28
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Zurich
Posts: 564
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 746 Times in 292 Posts
eairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond reputeeairicbloodaxe has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Sounds like cash is indeed king...

Any views on the likelihood of negotiating winters in addition to the discounts already being offered?

Regards


Ian
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07.09.2016, 15:49
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,690
Groaned at 281 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying Used Car from Dealer: Need Strategy

Swiss dealers aren't the best for offering discounts, so the best tact is knowing the markets - what are similar cars going for? their spec? winter wheels etc

At least look informed when you speak to them - for example know the cost of wheels/tyres from Reifendirekt will give you a good base position to negotiate to on winter wheels
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Buying a used car from a dealer vs private seller - what's the price difference? yacek Transportation/driving 11 18.11.2015 12:04
Consumer rights when buying a car from a dealer? acr Transportation/driving 22 27.04.2015 23:56
Used car warranty from dealer Country_Mouse Transportation/driving 12 28.11.2014 12:59
Buying a used car from a Private person: need advise on steps and price canddlelight Transportation/driving 10 27.01.2012 19:35
Buying used car by dealer - speed? auto schiess - any experience?? MartinRomanshorn Transportation/driving 2 21.04.2009 23:32


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:54.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0