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What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Dear all,

First a story happened to me yesterday in Lausanne metro: I boarded the train, and immediately noticed the loud music singing in a language I understood. The music belonged to a neighbouring country of my homeland (let's call it country B. I'm from country A). There was a gang of some young men from B sitting in the train. Soon they noticed I'm from their neighbouring country and for some unknown reason started making (in the language we both understood, but nobody else in the train) all sorts of insults, swears, and verbal attacks to me, probably in the hope of annoying me and making a scene out of it.

Now, I didn't and don't give a damn about it and they could go on forever. But I'm worried about my wife! A similar incident can scare her to death and will definitely break her into tears and leave her traumatised, something I really don't want to happen.

I was wondering yesterday about possible options in such a case: Is it criminal to verbally attack someone? Can I expect the police to do something? What about the train crew/driver? Is there any law regarding this?

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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

I'm interested of the name of country B?

For the normal case I think you could call police and they will react but I was never in that situation.
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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Yes you can make a complaint to the Swiss transport police. http://www.securitrans.ch/index.php/fr/

There are no train drivers on the Lausanne Metro are there?

If you continue to hide your personal information "Location = Switzerland" "Coming from country A" you won't be getting very much help.

Why not change your location to Lausanne? Nobody will come round to your home!
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I'm interested of the name of country B?
Let's not get involved in racial/nationalistic discussions
I have a ton of great friends from B and we attend many common traditional events together.
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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Is it England and Scotland ?
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Yes you can make a complaint to the Swiss transport police.

There are no train drivers on the Lausanne Metro are there?

If you continue to hide your personal information "Location = Switzerland" "Coming from country A" you won't be getting very much help.

Why not change your location to Lausanne? Nobody will come round to your home!
I didn't mention country names to avoid useless irrelevant discussions.

Lausanne metro line M1 has a driver. It's M2 that is driverless.

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Is it England and Scotland ?
If it was, then probably more people in the train would understand the curses (assuming your question was serious).

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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

How did they notice you were from country "A" ? Did you tell them to stop singing using language "B" ?
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Soon they noticed I'm from their neighbouring country
Curious, how did this happen? Do you have Country A on your forehead?
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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Iran and... Iraq? Afghanistan? Turkmenistan? Pakistan? You mentioned a while ago that you're from Iran. Unfortunately, by being coy about the location, you've derailed your own discussion. Now that it's all be revealed, hopefully you can get some helpful answers.

Nasty situation. There are idiots everywhere.
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How did they notice you were from country "A" ? Did you tell them to stop singing using language "B" ?
That's a question to myself as well. One of them was behind me. I guess he saw my phone while I was reading messages in my mother language.
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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Why racist ? Just simple question from which country those punks are coming...

This behavior isn't probably different from other young people from other countries - so no racist here....

No one likes this kind of situations in life....

For sure I would call the police or metro police (as they probably have one) and mentioned about this situation. I think it wasn't the first time they did it so the police should be aware about the situation.
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Iran and... Iraq? Afghanistan? Turkmenistan? Pakistan? You mentioned a while ago that you're from Iran. Unfortunately, by being coy about the location, you've derailed your own discussion. Now that it's all be revealed, hopefully you can get some helpful answers.

Nasty situation. There are idiots everywhere.
Sorry I don't understand how knowing country B is helpful.

Any way if you know the region, there is only one country with a common language and border to Iran.
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Dear all,

First a story happened to me yesterday in Lausanne metro: I boarded the train, and immediately noticed the loud music singing in a language I understood. The music belonged to a neighbouring country of my homeland (let's call it country B I'm from country A). There was a gang of some young men from B sitting in the train. Soon they noticed I'm from their neighbouring country and for some unknown reason started making (in the language we both understood, but nobody else in the train) all sorts of insults, swears, and verbal attacks to me, probably in the hope of annoying me and make a scene out of it.

Now, I didn't and don;t give a damn about it and they could go on forever. But I'm worried about my wife! A similar incident can scare her to death and will definitely break her into tears and leave her traumatised, something I really don't want to happen.

I was wondering yesterday about possible options in such a case: Is it criminal to verbally attack someone? Can I expect the police to do something? What about the train crew/driver? Is there any law regarding this?
Wow. Hard situation for me to think myself into, my native language and that of the neighbouring country are the most prevalent here, so would shape my reaction to, and the way this would work out, differently.

As to the legal situation, it might be an approach, but even if you had a case, it would hinge on someone else on the train having understood what had been said. And even then, it would only have an effect after the fact.

Does your wife speak any of the local languages, or English, well enough to establish some form of verbal contact with any of the locals?

Failing that, at the very least, in a similar situation, she should examine where she is sitting, and possibly move closer to any locals, or the driver. Even without any linguistic awareness, most humans pick up on a tense situation and will generally exhibit a sort of herd response as things start to escalate. If your wife moves physically closer to the herd which is not preying on her she will feel at least some emotional comfort in not being isolated. I would even suggest whispering "These people are abusing me, would you mind pretending you know me." to the most reasonable looking person in a language that the other group is least likely to understand. It might even be worth learning just this sentence. Sometimes the best response to a tension or threat is just a practical use of psychohygene: not being isolated=not feeling vulnerable=the threat is less personal. Same threat, but the choice of a seat can make it feel much different.
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I'm interested of the name of country B?
I would go for Iraq (B) vs Iran (A)!
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Wow. Hard situation for me to think myself into, my native language and that of the neighbouring country are the most prevalent here, so would shape my reaction to, and the way this would work out, differently.

As to the legal situation, it might be an approach, but even if you had a case, it would hinge on someone else on the train having understood what had been said. And even then, it would only have an effect after the fact.

Does your wife speak any of the local languages, or English, well enough to establish some form of verbal contact with any of the locals?

Failing that, at the very least, in a similar situation, she should examine where she is sitting, and possibly move closer to any locals, or the driver. Even without any linguistic awareness, most humans pick up on a tense situation and will generally exhibit a sort of herd response as things start to escalate. If your wife moves physically closer to the herd which is not preying on her she will feel at least some emotional comfort in not being isolated. I would even suggest whispering "These people are abusing me, would you mind pretending you know me." to the most reasonable looking person in a language that the other group is least likely to understand. It might even be worth learning just this sentence. Sometimes the best response to a tension or threat is just a practical use of psychohygene: not being isolated=not feeling vulnerable=the threat is less personal. Same threat, but the choice of a seat can make it feel much different.
Thank you very much. Perfect answer.
My wife speaks perfect English and intermediate French. I will tell her about this.

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I would go for Iraq (B) vs Iran (A)!
No. I don't understand a word of Arabic.

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Re: What to do in the case of a verbal attack?

Of course thread will derail very soon into finding out which country A or B was... as if it really mattered... Let's pick a pair (say Croatia and Serbia) and be done with it, OK?

I see no reason why you could not report this to the police - either your local police or as mentioned before transport police. Of course it's not normal to be verbally assaulted. I actually recommend you to contact police, it will at least set your mind at peace that you've done something, and really, the police themselves may actually do something (as opposed to what usually happens in countries A or B). It probably won't lead to a prosecution, especially as a foreign language is involved, but the police may either already have some information about the gang or pay a closer eye to it in the future, increase their presence, etc. It helps for them to know about it.

We had once an incident close to our house with some very disturbing loud noises (shouting, women crying, etc) late in the evening that really spooked my wife. We went to the police the next day and it turns out they already knew about it, more people reported it, it was a drunken couple arguing and nothing really bad happened. But the experience of talking to the police really helped my wife get over the traumatic experience.

So don't expect to deal with it alone - get some help and stay calm
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Ok. Everyone desperate to know the country names please send a message to me and don't derail the thread.

P.S. You can figure it out yourselves by checking at most 3 Wikipedia pages.
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My money is on England and Wales.. the Welsh can be so cruel
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Islamic religion, Dari & Farsi languages, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan...Iran_relations
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I actually recommend you to contact police...
P.S. Also worth noting that the Lausanne M2 has CCTV all around so police should be able to identify the team pretty sharpish...
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