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Avoiding paying double for zones

I live in Lausanne, and I have a yearly pass for zones 11 and 12. On Saturday, I need to travel to both Romainmotier and Chexbres. SBB tells me that I can get a Mobilis day pass with 10 zones, which goes through Lausanne, so that sounds nice. Except then I am also paying for zones 11 and 12, which I already "paid for"... But I don't think there is any interface where you can specify exactly which zones to pay for, you always have to specify a from-to... Similarly, if I take the train from Lausanne to Nyon... I could buy the ticket from Renens instead, then I save one zone, but I am still paying for zone 12. But now I need to look up on the map which stop is right outside Renens to buy from that stop (which would be different if I were going to Vevey of course)...

I wish I could add my Mobilis card to the SBB app, and it would automatically detract zones 11/12 from any fare calculation... Or am I missing something?

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Old 16.09.2016, 15:52
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

It looks as though you might already know, but make sure that the train actually stops at the station(s) that you are using as a connection to the zones that you already have a pass for.

You don't have to get off the train if you already have the required ticket, but the train must stop there.

This rule would make it difficult for an app, which would also need to know which specific train you were taking.
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

Are you sure that is true? I understand this would be the case if I bought a ticket from Lausanne to Geneva for example, in which case it does say "Lausanne-Geneva" on the ticket. However, when I buy a ticket (through the SBB app as well!) from Lausanne to Nyon (ie. anywhere where both start point and end points are within the Mobilis area), I simply get a ticket for a certain amount of zones, with no mention of start and end point:



So in that case, given that I have zones 11 and 12 already, I don't see why it should matter where the train happens to stop...
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

If you were on a fast train from A to C without stopping at B and the last stop your ticket covers is B where you could not have got on, you're liable to a fine.
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

If you're buying tickets by zone, then no, I'm not sure.

When you said "But now I need to look up on the map which stop is right outside Renens to buy from that stop", I thought you were intending to buy a ticket for a specific named route (e.g. Renens (or whatever is the last stop in your zone) to Nyon).
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If you're buying tickets by zone, then no, I'm not sure.

When you said "But now I need to look up on the map which stop is right outside Renens to buy from that stop", I thought you were intending to buy a ticket for a specific named route.
Well, because as far as I know, there is no way for me to say to SBB or the ticket automat "please give me a ticket for zones X Y Z", I have to say from A to B, ergo I need to know a "B" which is in zone "X"...
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Well, because as far as I know, there is no way for me to say to SBB or the ticket automat "please give me a ticket for zones X Y Z", I have to say from A to B, ergo I need to know a "B" which is in zone "X"...
I'm not sure I'm being clear.

Say you have Zone 1 with Stations A, B and C. And Zone 2 with Stations X, Y and Z.

If you have a pass that covers Zone 1 and want to travel from A to Z then;

Train stops at A, B, C, X, Y, Z - You need to buy a ticket from C to Z (C is the last stop in your zone)

Train Stops at A, B, X, Y, Z - You need to buy a ticket from B - Z (B is the last stop in your zone)

Train Stops at A, X, Z - You need to buy a full ticket from A-Z as the train does not stop in your zone.

But the train must stop at the station you use as your departure (or destination on the return journey) for your paid leg.
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

For inside Mobilis there is a Billet de raccordement a.k.a Billet de prolongement de parcours (Mobilis extension ticket).

If you buy it at the machine you need to know the additional number of zones you need.
https://www.sbb.ch/en/content/dam/ve...pg/mobilis.jpg
I know inside the ZVV Zurich, the extension ticket extends to all side of your existing ticket. Means going from Rolle to Vevey would only need a 5 zone extension if you already have 11/12. Check at the counter if this is also true for Mobilis.

Buying it online is also possible, but a mess and tricky (Do not ask me why there is no simple way.):
https://www.sbb.ch/ticketshop/b2c/adw.do?2009
For buying an extension you have not to select your actual start and stop destination, but the part of your journey outside your existing Mobilis ticket.
--> Use the machine or counter Simpler.

ZVV Zurich has its own, more simpler ticket App. Maybe Mobilis has also its own App?
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I'm not sure I'm being clear.

Say you have Zone 1 with Stations A, B and C. And Zone 2 with Stations X, Y and Z.

If you have a pass that covers Zone 1 and want to travel from A to Z then;

Train stops at A, B, C, X, Y, Z - You need to buy a ticket from C to Z (C is the last stop in your zone)

Train Stops at A, B, X, Y, Z - You need to buy a ticket from B - Z (B is the last stop in your zone)

Train Stops at A, X, Z - You need to buy a full ticket from A-Z as the train does not stop in your zone.

But the train must stop at the station you use as your departure (or destination on the return journey) for your paid leg.
This is not true for journeys inside a single zoning system, such as Mobilis. But it has taken into consideration when you do travel outside your zoning system.
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

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For inside Mobilis there is a Billet de raccordement a.k.a Billet de prolongement de parcours (Mobilis extension ticket).

If you buy it at the machine you need to know the additional number of zones you need.
https://www.sbb.ch/en/content/dam/ve...pg/mobilis.jpg
I know inside the ZVV Zurich, the extension ticket extends to all side of your existing ticket. Means going from Rolle to Vevey would only need a 5 zone extension if you already have 11/12. Check at the counter if this is also true for Mobilis.

Buying it online is also possible, but a mess and tricky (Do not ask me why there is no simple way.):
https://www.sbb.ch/ticketshop/b2c/adw.do?2009
For buying an extension you have not to select your actual start and stop destination, but the part of your journey outside your existing Mobilis ticket.
--> Use the machine or counter Simpler.

ZVV Zurich has its own, more simpler ticket App. Maybe Mobilis has also its own App?
They don't have an app, I don't know that they even have a physical office, they only work through the local agencies (CFF, Lausanne's TL etc).

I looked at the billet raccordement, but it's a bit confusing, it says:

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Das Anschlussbillett ist nur zusammen mit dem Verbundfahrausweis gültig und muss an eine im Verbundfahrausweis enthaltene Zone oder Lokalnetz anschliessen.
What does it mean "anschliessen"? If I type in Lausanne as the start point, I get exactly the same price as if I had bought a regular ticket to Lausanne. So I still need to find the point outside 11/12, probably Villette... But what is the difference between a raccordement ticket and a normal ticket - they cost exactly the same?

In general, the difference between intrazone and interzone travel is kind of weird - I think I read somewhere that long-term they plan to unify the zone systems in Switzerland (related to the SwissPass). Right now for example, if I want to go from EPFL to Nyon, I can buy that ticket online, and take the bus to Morges, and then the train (fastest usually), because the ticket I buy through SBB is zonal, and includes all modes of transportation. However, if I am going to Geneva, I need to either take the bus/metro to Renens and then go to Geneva (slightly slower), or pay extra for the bus to Morges

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...I looked at the billet raccordement, but it's a bit confusing, it says...

What does it mean "anschliessen"?
According to Google Translate, anschliessen relates to connecting zones.

"The connection ticket is valid only together with the composite ticket and must connect to a zone or local area network contained in the composite ticket."

I've tried add-on zones around Bern and to be honest it's not really much savings (if any) for the hassle. Maybe a Franc or two. Unless you see a huge difference in the ticket prices just buy the regular ticket and enjoy the trip.
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They don't have an app, I don't know that they even have a physical office, they only work through the local agencies (CFF, Lausanne's TL etc).
Just walk to the CFF or TL counter, they are part of Mobilis.

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I looked at the billet raccordement, but it's a bit confusing, it says:

What does it mean "anschliessen"? If I type in Lausanne as the start point, I get exactly the same price as if I had bought a regular ticket to Lausanne. So I still need to find the point outside 11/12, probably Villette... But what is the difference between a raccordement ticket and a normal ticket - they cost exactly the same?
The extension is cheaper. Hmm, Romands. O.k. You may can still use it ann all side of your existing zone. Which makes it for some journey cheaper.

"Anschliessen" means you cannot use a four zone extension to travel from Rolle to Nyon if you have Zone 11/12 as your home zone. There must allways be a way back to your home zone through at most four zones.

In your case you need a 6 zone eextension. This is good for the travel to Romainmotier in Zone 112 and also covers the second trip to Chexbres in Zone 64/71.

At the machine it is simple: Select extension ticket, 6 Zones, whole day, demi or full tarif, pay, take ticket and change.
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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

Hello to All,

Kindly guide me if i want to buy train and bus pass for 15 days from Cornavin Geneva to Nyon

1-which one is best
2- which web side
3- whats is the zone Number for Cornavin Geneva and Geneva Air port
4- Nyon zone Number ?

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Re: Avoiding paying double for zones

Cornavin Train Station is in the canton Geneva. The public transport network there is called Unireso. Geneva Aeroport and Cornavin are both in Zone 10.

Nyon is in the canton Vaud. The public transport network there is called Mobilis.
Nyon is Zone 20

AFAIK there is no ticket zone based which will bridge zone 10 with zone 20.

You will need a point-to-point SBB ticket if you travel from train station to train station. You can also get a city extension for Nyon in case you have to take the bus from the Nyon trainstation.,

You will need a ticket for each day.

You can use https://www.sbb.ch, any SBB Train Station, or SBB ticket vending machine to get your ticket(s).
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