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Your explanations and background info are most welcome, it's exactly what I'm looking for so I get an idea of what I'm doing and where the pitfalls are. Thank you all very much.

The tyres have a remark of "615 kg max load" on them, which covers the Fahrzeugausweis entry (448kg max load). They're indeed marked 91V.

I'd prefer to not change the diameter of the tyre as otherwise I'd need to adapt to differing speedo readings, it already shows considerably more than the actual speed. Assuming possible/available, would it make sense to change to 195/55 R16 (resulting in a slightly lower speedo reading? that amount would be ok) to increase pressure on the contact area to shorten braking distance?

Is there any info missing to determine rim specs? Or does it make little sense to do so as I'll be calling some garages in the coming days in the hope of getting OEM rims to avoid COC issues?
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The 448kg max load of the vehicle is the allowed weight you can add to it, the tires need to be that value PLUS the full up weight of the car, then divide that by 4 to get the weight per corner. Actually it isn't that easy, as the front and rear axles carry different weight - this is one of the values that the brake and suspension testing machine displays when you do the MFK. Your 91 rated tires are sufficient iirc, so this is academic, but I take it that you are also interested in what the point is with the load rating.

As to your speedo reading, ask at the shop. The vast majority of modern cars take the 4 wheel speeds off the toothed wheel which is used for the ABS feedback. The computer selects the highest of these 4 wheel inputs and applies a correction factor to drive the speedo display to indicate road speed. On most cars that correction factor can be adjusted to suit at least any different tire diameters that that car may have been fitted with as an OEM option. A shop with the correct OBD equipment may be able to adjust the correction factor to get your speedo to read just slightly over at 120km/h. I'm not a Peugeot kenner, but I do know that the Alfa system has this facility.

Braking distance, on a dry road go DOWN as you increase contact area, but go UP if there is something like standing water or snow that the tire needs to push out of the way until it touches the road surface. Everything is a compromise.

As you're are going to call a shop anyway, just tell them what you want to do. They will inevitably offer you a choice which is legal and the best compromise, and with some background knowledge it will now make more sense to you if they offer multiple choices. Without knowing any background, the customer may think it is a question of "Should I spend this much money, or that much money?", but it isn't quite that simple. Even when a mechanic says "tires from X last longer" what he is saying is that given his own driving style, and the mix of driving styles of his return customers, those tires last longer, but if he's only ever seen one set of Cint's and that was worn out in one season by a testosterone fuelled madman, or even a kindly mother who parks, corners, and brakes in a tire unfriendly fashion, then he may well think Pirelli's wear fast.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

Urs,

You are getting pulled into a "petrol-head" discussion about speed, odometer readings etc. KISS. You just want some winter tires - end of story.

I run the same tires as you with the same size winter and summer. Yes, if you had 17" or 18" it is sometimes recommended to drop down one inch (helps with putting on the chains and is less expensive). However, 16" tires are in the sweet spot on pricing. On the PopGom link I gave you you can get top of the line Michelin winter tires for CHF 100/each (plus installation).

On the subject of the rims, most people who do not want to be bothered with changing tires each season will go for either steel or alu rims (depending on your budget). This would be my suggestion.

If you have the cash (per EF rules you must earn over CHF 120, you file your taxes, you are concerned about brown sugar etc.) you just go to the dealer for the first time and negotiate a bit for the rims and tires you want. After that (in 3 years) you can shop for cheaper tires.

But as a suggestion do check the date on the tires so at least you know that they are fresh. The code is XXYY in an oval "box" (where XX is week of production and YY is the year). You should have something like 3016 (week 30 of 2016) and not some old stock from 2015. Make sure the dealer knows you will be looking and will not accept anything that is not 2016 (and preferably the second half of the year).
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Urs,

You are getting pulled into a "petrol-head" discussion about speed, odometer readings etc. KISS. You just want some winter tires - end of story.
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I'm with Verbier on this. It may seem very technical and complex, but it isn't really. Call around and get some prices and info about what local places are offering you, then come back here with that info before you make a decision. Be aware that this is the season, so you may get some curt answers if you phone, but if you can go by, you may get more attention, or even a brochure with concrete information.

At the end of the day there are two questions you need to answer:

1) Are these right for my car, area, driving style, taste?
2) Is that a decent price for them?
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

As Verbier said, have a look at the DOT number and try to buy fresh tyres.

Said that, you can use on steel rims the bolts you have now but they'll look ugly and probably loose washers will be a little bit noisy at low speed. See the picture below.

If allowed for your car and if really a lot cheaper, you can choose 195 / 65 R15 91H and maybe, maybe even have less aquaplaning, but your French Lady will look less beautiful for sure with these shoes.

Why don't you ask a big Peugeot dealer? You never know, they may have a special winter offer, in the worst case scenario you can have confirmed which measures are allowed and the maximum price, just to set the bar. Then you can start shopping around.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

Well, I may be getting a bit too much detail atm but nonetheless I like this thread a lot. It has shown that going about it without some professional help is not what I need, later on with rims in place the situation will be different. So even though the outcome isn't what I aimed for it still serves its purpose very well.

The current autobild.de test lists 91H tires only. I don't think my car is capable to go above 200km/h, but since the current tires are 91V I'm not sure what to make of it, and I never tried as so far I've driven on Swiss motorways only (would that even matter?).
Thoughts please?

Assuming 91H are ok, I'd look for Dunlop Winter Sport 5, preliminarily based on the (shortened) online version of the autobilde.de test (don't have the print version yet). Their good fuel, braking rating and price (according to reifendirekt.ch) make them look good to me.

An alternative would be Nokian WR D4 if their ratings were similar to Nokian WR A3/A4, but reifendirekt.ch doesn't list the D4. Likewise the Goodyear Ultragrip 9 (both also 91H).

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If allowed for your car and if really a lot cheaper, you can choose 195 / 65 R15 91H and maybe, maybe even have less aquaplaning, but your French Lady will look less beautiful for sure with these shoes.
I'll stick to the current dimensions.

As for price, I don't know. If their purchase price is similar to reifendirekt.ch offered price, I may end up in the 700CHF region (assuming 30% garage margin) for the tires alone. I'll know more after a few phonecalls tomorrow.

And yes, I'll make sure the tires have been produced recently.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

As to speed index, my colleague car inspection was failed in Lausanne on this ground - tyre speed index was lower than car spec max speed, which was much higher that 120km/h.
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The current autobild.de test lists 91H tires only. I don't think my car is capable to go above 200km/h, but since the current tires are 91V I'm not sure what to make of it, and I never tried as so far I've driven on Swiss motorways only (would that even matter?).
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You need to know if H is allowed. I have a COC of my car, with all the different kind of rims/tyres allowed. In other countries is also stated on the "papers" of the cars, I do not think this is the case in Switzerland. In other countries you are also allowed to mount winter tyres with a lower speed index, I have no idea about Switzerland, you need to ask a professional. I found that info for example on pneus-online-suisse.ch but only on the italian and french version. If allowed, H is enough (this is what you have with 15" rims). Regarding tests, shop around and see what you can find, all the mentioned brands produce good tyres, fuel consumption is more up to you feet.
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You need to know if H is allowed. I have a COC of my car, with all the different kind of rims/tyres allowed.
That's what I thought. My Fahrzeugause doesn't mention any kind of max speed.

Interestingly enough, Continental WinterContact TS 860, also 91H according to autobild.de, is listed by reifendirekt.ch as 91T, presumably it's why reifendirekt.ch doesn't list them for my car.

Conversely, reifendirekt.ch lists "Dunlop Winter Sport 5 XL" as "94V" whereas autobild.de tested "Dunlop Winter Sport 5" (reifendirect.ch says the XL stands for strengthened tire which increases max load, perhaps the reason for the higher speed classification). Same for Semperit Speed Grip 2 (no XL in this case) and Barum Polaris 3, however there's no apparent potential reason for the difference.

Michelin Alpin 5 is 91H as per autobild, 91V on reifendirekt.ch

Now I'm utterly confused, I would have thought these are among the things where CH "autonomosly implements" EU standards and regulations?
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Just to say that if you're getting rims, weigh the cost against the cost of just having tyres, and paying a garage to swap them over. For me, it wasn't worth buying a set of rims just for winter. "Your mileage may vary".
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Say you calculate with each set of tires to last 3 seasons. That means that in a 3 year cycle you end up with 4 times the extra cost of switching tires as compared to switching full wheels (6 switches but you need a full switch anyway when the tires are worn out, so deduct 2x: once for the summer, once for the winter tires ).

Say the difference is 50chf each time, your extra cost for not having 8 rims is 200CHF. Say you keep a car for 6 years on average, you end up with 400CHF. The bottom line question is then: do the new rims cost more than 400chf?
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Now I'm utterly confused
Don't be. Ask Peugeot, a dealer or even MFK, which are the tyres allowed for your car on 16" 7j rims.
Known that, if you want you can start looking around on internet. Maybe you can ask if is it possible to choose a lower speed index (if yes, I think is just a letter, let say from V to H).
For what I can see, for your car Michelin is only 94V XL for last production, Continental is available as 94V XL, Dunlop is available 94V. Maybe reifendirekt does not sell tyres on every specs. Look for H only if allowed.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

Our friend from Ticino must be off someplace or he would have answered the speed question a while ago.

Summer tires: They must be letter rated (T,H,V etc.) ABOVE the car's rated top speed that will be shown in the book you have with the car.

Winter tires: There is NO restriction on the speed rating of winter tires. Your local vehicle control centre will not "fine you" if you have H rated tires (210kph) and your car is rated for 215kph. Frankly, you should be good as of T rating (190kph) which will also cost you less. I gave you a selection of H rated tires on the http://www.popgom.ch site as they are quite common. Have another look at the website (in addition to the ones you have seen) it might give you another view of things. They also have the official EU ratings (noise, wet stopping distance etc.) that is useful to see.

Unfortunately, I do not have a link to the winter tire speed limit question.

EDIT: one tire website says (without a reference) that you can drop down one letter for winter tires. Urs, what is the letter rating printed in the tire section of your information book that is with the car for tires that are 205/55/R16? You said that the current summer tires are "V" rated (240kph). Is this what is printed in the book? Please confirm.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

Am actually shopping now for my own car, same tire size, and have decided on the Conties:
https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/test...&recordId=3424
Kind of a pity though that they only test new rubber. Would be nice if they could retest after 1 or 2 seasons!

Which I should be ordering sooner then later here:
http://www.reifen-popgom.ch/reifen/c...05-55-r16-91-h

Had my last tires from popgom mounted at Euromaster cause they arranged it all in the same order. But I think I'll pass this time. They didn't balance em so good.
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I post this again, http://www.welchereifen.ch/ is a good search engine (like toppreisse but for tyres) for different online stores. Most have rims available as well. Keep your cache clean as checking multiple sites sometimes results in price ramping.
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The best offer so far is by the the local Peugeot garage, steel rims for 79.- plus 24.- for the full work (aufziehen, auswuchten und Montage; effectively I arrive on the summer tires/rims and drive off on the winter tires/rims), with the tires ordered/sent to them by me. I'm still awaiting feedback by two others but from what I was told elsewhere this may well be the winner (I prefer local/regional anyway).

I intend to order/have sent to them Continental TS 860 for about 87.- each (the local garage charges about 110.- for them). Since you seem to have had good experience I'll probably order from popgom.ch.

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Does anyone know by how much fuel consumption changes for the different ratings? In particular, what's the difference between C and E?

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@EPMike, I'll probably drive the car until it dies, 8 years or more to go. And if I don't, a double set of rims may not give reason for a much higher price but it will certainly make it easier to find a buyer.
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Did you ask them for the price of the 4 Peugeotwheel covers for the steel rims? If they are the black rims they are not really "beautiful".
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Does anyone know by how much fuel consumption changes for the different ratings? In particular, what's the difference between C and E?
I'd say 1-1.5%?
Running friction is 7,8-9 for C Class and 9,1-10,5 for D Class.

From mytyres.co.uk "The evaluation is given in classes "A" to "G", whereby "D" is not used. Improvement by one class signifies a saving of approx. 0.1 litre of fuel over 100 km. Between class "G" and class "A" there is a total reduction of approx. 7.5% of the fuel consumption."

source: http://www.mytyres.co.uk/FAQs/Questi...yre_Label.html
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The best offer so far is by the the local Peugeot garage, steel rims for 79.- plus 24.- for the full work (aufziehen, auswuchten und Montage; effectively I arrive on the summer tires/rims and drive off on the winter tires/rims), with the tires ordered/sent to them by me. I'm still awaiting feedback by two others but from what I was told elsewhere this may well be the winner (I prefer local/regional anyway).

I intend to order/have sent to them Continental TS 860 for about 87.- each (the local garage charges about 110.- for them). Since you seem to have had good experience I'll probably order from popgom.ch.

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Does anyone know by how much fuel consumption changes for the different ratings? In particular, what's the difference between C and E?

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@EPMike, I'll probably drive the car until it dies, 8 years or more to go. And if I don't, a double set of rims may not give reason for a much higher price but it will certainly make it easier to find a buyer.
Urs, the problem with the tire efficiency rating is that they are an estimate, based on a specific tire, on a specific car, driven in a specific way... A is better than B, but at what tradeoff? (Most probably traction or tire wear). Driving a car is only slightly more thermally efficient (30%) that just setting fire to the fuel in an open pit and jumping back to save your eyebrows, but it is better than a steam engine (5%). Yes the tires will make a difference, but not all that much, and even the top class won't change the fundamental inefficiency of the vehicle by all that much. Here is a site with some numbers:

https://www.nokiantyres.com/innovati...el-efficiency/

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›› Best and weakest. Classes A to G, savings of up to 5 full tanks during the operating life
›› Adjacent classes. For example: B to C, savings 0.1 l/100 km
5 tanks over the life of the tire between best and worst... 100ml/100km between B and C looks very different.

The biggest single factor affecting your fuel efficiency is your driving style. Loss of efficiency due to the tires is roughly 20% total, an A rated tire might reduce that to 15-18%. Driving like an idiot will make your fuel efficiency drop by 25% easily.
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Re: Ordering winter tyres, rims - need help

Jag,

Excellent info!

So your typical EU Tire Label puts down 3 infos: Fuel Efficiency, Safety, and Noise...

With the minuscule effect on fuel efficiency, does this mean price trade-off should now only be against safety and noise??
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Excellent info!

So your typical EU Tire Label puts down 3 infos: Fuel Efficiency, Safety, and Noise...

With the minuscule effect on fuel efficiency, does this mean price trade-off should now only be against safety and noise??
Noise is a component of fuel efficiency. As far as I can tell the noise rating label was put in place so that people could make an informed decision with respect to a tire choice which lasted about 4 years and straddled the new norms of 2012. I'm guessing that there aren't many tires being made now which exceed the noise norms, and also that nobody really gives a damn about how loud their tires are, as long as they won't get a ticket for it.

For me, the price ratio is just safety. If they are a bit less noisy and help me burn less fuel, great. I normally drive as efficiently as possible. Every now and then, depending on which car I'm in, my inner pig sometime rears his head and enjoys the road and the car - the other 99.5% of the time I just try to be as fuel efficient as I can.

btw, the tire efficiency isn't nothing... my point was that even the most fuel efficient tires won't make as big a difference as accellerating and braking sensibly.

Google "fuel efficient driving" TCS used to offer courses. Like defensive driving, efficient driving is relatively simple to figure out.
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Despite having two sets of steel rims I still get the wheels swapped (16 inch) in a garage because more often than not they need to be rebalanced.
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