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BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

Last year I bought a second hand Swiss BMW M3. Awesome car, loads of technical things which could break though. I got the car with the 5-star Quality1 guarantee; 1 year.
We are now 10 months down the road and the car is fine.

In certain countries and cultures, you would go now to your befriended car specialist who is going to check whether anything needs repairing or replaced which can still fall under the guarantee.

So, the question is: does anybody have experience by doing this in CH (greater Zurich area).
Am I doing anything Swiss-illegal? Things I should ask for and shouldn’t ask for?
Anybody a great BMW specialist address in the greater ZH area?


And in case you are wondering, some obvious questions you might have.
Yes, I have asked around, nobody I know seemed to have done this.
No, I will not go to a normal BMW dealer; on my previous BMW they wanted to replace 5000 CHF worth of things for something which was fixed by 4 hours of work and 200 eur in parts in Germany.
Yes, I have a great guy just over the border in Germany, but Quality1 is valid in Switzerland, hence the questions.

Thanks in advance for your help.
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Yes, do it.

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And in case you are wondering, some obvious questions you might have.
What's the year and mileage?
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What's the year and mileage?
or, why don't you just go to your German guy?
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

About 75000 km from a 2011. It still has services included.

I actually hoped that somebody would respond to the specialist in ZRH part of the question.

I have asked some garages in person:
BMW itself is basically threating me like dummy. They would hang it in the computer for me. Very helpful (not), as I did that myself already.
Checked 2 independent garage guys out; they’ve never really seen this car. So that isn’t helping either.
I did find BMW Specialist in Adliswil. The car will now be going there: they have seen M3’s and they seems to understand what it was about. He even acknowledged my idea to better spend now a couple of hundred francs to potentially save 10000. Lets hope he finds nothing.

If I go to my German guy, I would lose a day of working. Then he is looking at the car. If he finds something I have to tell him to put it back together, because I don’t want him to fix it. That’s quite weird in my opinion.
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

I'm interested to know what you think they'll be taking apart. Generally if the car is running well and has been for the last year then they won't be able to tell if something is wrong that you wouldn't already know about, apart from "maintenance" items such as brakes, bushes etc that likely aren't covered under warranty, but they might be able to see stress cracks if this version is affected. What things are you worried about?
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

Engine, Gearbox and steering.
Engine wise I understand that they are not taking it apart. But I do expect them to check for leaks etc.
For the Gearbox I need the specialist guy. This gearbox, the DCT, is not one which was frequently delivered across BMW models. I only have driven mine and I know it take a bit of time between R and FWD gears; I don’t know if it shouldn’t. That is what a specialist should be able to check. And again, he should be able to check for leaks etc as well.
And the steering: there is a bit of vibration around 120kmh; so he should be able to check if it is coming from the steering, or maybe from the tires.

Do you have any other suggestions?
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No. If it were an E46 I could give you a long list. The DCT might just need a remap. Even if you need a new steering arm or bushes, is this covered under the warranty? Anyway, I hope nothing is wrong.
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

High revving V8
DCT gearbox
EDC Suspension??

The warranty is not cheap - and you should get notification through the mail - but IMHO take it.

The supercharger on mine has a reputation for going pop - mine never has, and mine has (for all bar a short period - 100km) had the "right" oil filter mounted. However if it does go pop it would require a new supercharger (not cheap) and a new engine (even less not cheap). The warranty cost is a no brainer - especially when you think about 250-300chf per hour BMW rates

The "non-stressed" toy runs without warranty but it is mechanically unstressed and fairly simple - I can do the general checks myself - and I don't need a mechanic to tell me the tracking goes out each year. If it really went wrong then my race mechanic will happily take it in and fix it - and if I'm patient charge me below the standard rate.
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High revving V8
DCT gearbox
EDC Suspension??

The warranty is not cheap - and you should get notification through the mail - but IMHO take it.

The supercharger on mine has a reputation for going pop - mine never has, and mine has (for all bar a short period - 100km) had the "right" oil filter mounted. However if it does go pop it would require a new supercharger (not cheap) and a new engine (even less not cheap). The warranty cost is a no brainer - especially when you think about 250-300chf per hour BMW rates

The "non-stressed" toy runs without warranty but it is mechanically unstressed and fairly simple - I can do the general checks myself - and I don't need a mechanic to tell me the tracking goes out each year. If it really went wrong then my race mechanic will happily take it in and fix it - and if I'm patient charge me below the standard rate.

What does yours having a supercharger have to do with anything? :-)
Warranties, like any insurance are a gamble. In the long term the house always wins.
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

You can put it through the MFK which will basically let you know if there are any safety issues or major fluid leaks.

Otherwise you can go to one of the TCS test Centers:

https://www.tcs.ch/de/der-tcs/sektio...kontrollen.php
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What does yours having a supercharger have to do with anything? :-)
Warranties, like any insurance are a gamble. In the long term the house always wins.
Its an expensive component - have you seen the price of an E92 M3 engine? 24,000usd
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BMW itself is basically threating me like dummy. They would hang it in the computer for me. Very helpful (not), as I did that myself already.
There is a world of difference between having an OBD reader which lets you read error codes and clear them. The dealer systems have a whole range of test routines built in. With the test routine you can, for example, run the test routine for the gearshift and put a pressure gauge on the pump output. This lets you see if the pump or accumulator are marginal BEFORE the box refuses to shift. If that car is prone to this specific problem and the garage tests like this, then they can schedule the downtime with you.

With a bluetooth OBD and app all you can do is read the error code once it has happened. This is only marginally entertaining when you are sitting at the side of the road (or in the middle of the intersection), and the dash and other drivers are all clearly indicating "gearbox fault". But it does give you something to do while waiting for the flatbed to arrive.

With 75kkm I would do the service and take the extended warranty. I may not be the best person to ask, I have only purchased one new car, and none of the others had less than 75K on the clock when I bought them.
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There is a world of difference between having an OBD reader which lets you read error codes and clear them. The dealer systems have a whole range of test routines built in. With the test routine you can, for example, run the test routine for the gearshift and put a pressure gauge on the pump output. This lets you see if the pump or accumulator are marginal BEFORE the box refuses to shift. If that car is prone to this specific problem and the garage tests like this, then they can schedule the downtime with you.

With a bluetooth OBD and app all you can do is read the error code once it has happened. This is only marginally entertaining when you are sitting at the side of the road (or in the middle of the intersection), and the dash and other drivers are all clearly indicating "gearbox fault". But it does give you something to do while waiting for the flatbed to arrive.

With 75kkm I would do the service and take the extended warranty. I may not be the best person to ask, I have only purchased one new car, and none of the others had less than 75K on the clock when I bought them.
This.

...and if you haven't already done it, after five years your battery is due to be replaced, with an OEM battery because the E92 charging system can be damaged if you install the wrong battery.

...and the more important question, have you driven the car with respect or have you beaten on it? Be honest, the more aggressively you have driven, the more aggressively you should get the car checked out.
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

I've never heard of a BMW DCT going. If it's behaving weirdly, just request and update or get one over the internet. Bimmerpost is a good resource, a lot of helpful folks can do that remotely for you.

The one thing I would worry about is the engine.

Change your oil and during oil change collect a sample and send it over to Blackstone.
They will know what to look for since it's an E92 M3.

If they tell you that metal readings are up RUN for your freaking life.

The bearings on the crank are not a frequent problem, but it is a problem nevertheless. And when (and if) it comes, it's expensive.

If I were in your shoes and wanted to keep the car for 3-4 years adding ~50k Km, I would not spend money on the warranty. I would spend the equivalent to preventatively change the metals on the bottom end and start budgetting for wear and tear items that warranty wouldn't cover anywhere (discs etc.)

If you want to keep the car for another 1-2 years, it would very much depend on the cost of the warranty. If it's under 2k I would consider it, if it's above, I wouldn't.

It's very important to see what the warranty will cover. Many items would not qualify, so don't think that you will get it and all will be well.



PS You don't need to replace the battery with the OEM, just with the OEM type. I think the E92 doesn't have a Li like the F80 so just any AGM with the correct numbers would fit the bill. Then you just need to code it in; dealer or specialised garage or you if you have an E-NET cable and the necessary software.
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Its an expensive component - have you seen the price of an E92 M3 engine? 24,000usd
Do they come from the factory with a supercharger?
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Do they come from the factory with a supercharger?
I never said I had that particular M3 - just highlighting that expensive cars can go pop and can then be very expensive
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I never said I had that particular M3 - just highlighting that expensive cars can go pop and can then be very expensive
Especailly if they send the mechanic out in a heli!
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

The DCT protects the clutchs and the gearbox very well, and the engine to some extent, in that it will not allow money shifts, miss shifts, etc. It's vulnerability might only be it's own hydraulic system.

It the current or previous owner has habitually red-lined, accelerated hard and power driven hairpin corners and what not, there might be more to be concerned about. However if it has been driven reasonably there is probably not so much to be concerned about. In any case, it is not a bad idea to get it all checked out prior to the warranty running out. I would, however, prefer it be done by an authorized BMW garage that has M3 trained and experienced mechanics, plus the BMW computer diagnostics with subscription to the vast BMW database.
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Re: BMW almost out of garantee, check-up?

What the guy wants to do, I think, is have the car checked over and any faults identified now so he can claim for the repair on the warranty which expires soon. I don't think he ever asked "should I extend the warranty", even if it might be a good idea.

If there are no error codes showing up and the car is running fine, I seriously doubt any garage will find something for which the warranty will pay out on, even if they do an oil analysis. Tearing down the engine just to have a look also wouldn't be cost effective, unless they did in fact find something, but the car would already be telling you that.

I'd google for common problems on this model and decide what to do about warranty extension then. Beware though, I did it for my E46 and it only made me feel sick. I think the newer models have fewer problems.
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