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Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

Hello to everyone.
Would it be interesting for you , to collectively rent a do it yourself garage for motorcycle service and modifications in Zurich?

Please, moto people express yourself.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

I personally do not have a garage and have to use somehow somewhere else, each winter, to park my bike

I also know that different handlers are offering winter care packages (BMW, Ducati, Harley etc) including picking up within 30-50 km depending on handlers.

What is important for me is that place, where I keep my bike, is in 10 minutes walking distance. If I sometime in winter have a chance to drive it, I do not want to walk or take a bus with my gear on :/

So it might come in handy for the ones living in Zurich, but not for me
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

Every opinion is welcome.

I was thinking more as a place to service or modify your bike and meet people.
Learn and teach techniques, have a beer etc.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

http://www.selfmech.ch/garage.html
to work on your own, but with the help of the garage mechanic owner, if you need it

https://selfmadegarage.ch/
to rent a garage box


http://www.doityourselfgarage.ch/wp-...elf-Garage.pdf
http://www.doityourselfgarage.ch/?page_id=9
to work on your own, but with the help of the garage mechanic, if you need it
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Every opinion is welcome.

I was thinking more as a place to service or modify your bike and meet people.
Learn and teach techniques, have a beer etc.
That's what I understood.

Unfortunately, it's too far, and I already have a few garages to use.

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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

I have thought about this as well but I do not know if there would be enough interest. For me, there is the concern that I ride my bike to DIY moto garage and get halfway through a project before running into a problem (wrong or missing part, took too much time, etc) and then what? My bike is sitting in a garage with parts and bits scattered around. If it was my own garage then no big deal. But what to now? And how do I get home/back again to complete the repair?


I am not saying isnīt a good idea, because I actually love the idea. But the above is a big reason why I would not use it for anything more than an oil change, and I can do that in my own parking place.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

"oil's well that ends well"

Motto for garage ... oh no you mean moto

Here is a example from Paris, they have become quite famous building custom bikes http://www.blitz-motorcycles.com/das-blitz/
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I have thought about this as well but I do not know if there would be enough interest. For me, there is the concern that I ride my bike to DIY moto garage and get halfway through a project before running into a problem (wrong or missing part, took too much time, etc) and then what? My bike is sitting in a garage with parts and bits scattered around. If it was my own garage then no big deal. But what to now? And how do I get home/back again to complete the repair?


I am not saying isnīt a good idea, because I actually love the idea. But the above is a big reason why I would not use it for anything more than an oil change, and I can do that in my own parking place.
I would imagine that you leave it in the garage if you haven't finished. At least that is how people I know do it.

Three of them rent a garage together, like garage 'roommates'.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

These are fairly popular with car guys, I know of a couple in Canada, and have read of a few in Germany. But these are usually used by people who are doing a restauration, or quite major work.

Do your math carefully. By the time you get permits and insurance and find a suitable space and kit that out sufficiently well to be able ot actually do even routine maintenance you're talking about a fair wad of cash. How much would a member be willing to pay in yearly fees to be able to do their own oil or tire change? I would guess that total cost to the owner per oil change would probably come close to what it costs to take it to a shop.

Note, I'm not even talking about restaurations, just routine maintenance: Washing, Oil changes, replacing brake pads, changing tires. Yes, the cost of a couple of lifts, a tire machine, oil change kit (and the storage and disposal costs), but if you're going to wash the bikes you'll need a spaltanlage in addition to a pressure washer.

I won't even mention the difficulties of sharing kit like a hydraulic press, TIG welder, air compressor, spray booth. Or the insurance nightmare of someone using an angle grinder and the sparks damaging someone else's bike.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

Germany, specially Berlin has a plenty of them. Sprouting out like mushrooms all over the place. Schrauberhalle they are called. Most of them have fixed assigned working places and a few on needs base.

I do not think there it would be a need for wash place. There are enough self wash places around which you can easily use. Invested money and space needed is not worth. Better use it for something else.

If the place offers a lathe, drilling machine, and some guy able to weld that would be cool.

But, I just got my own room 20m^2 with easy access (also with public transport) for just CHF 105 per month. Fits my needs until something better shows up.

PS: That's less than CHF 70/m^2/year. You will hardly find an industrial place for such a low rent.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

So as far as I understand most people find it very difficult and not really beneficiary.

I say that we could start a list with people and money to spend per month and see.

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I say that we could start a list with people and money to spend per month and see.

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Sorry if my post came across as overly negative, that wasn't my intention. My point was that you need to be pretty concrete about what work would be done in the area (and by that what tools and permits are required), how much space you would need to need to gain critical mass (both as a skills hangout, and a large enough member base that a couple leaving won't make it hard to pay the rent).

I would say that you would probably need a space to have something like 4-6 people actually working on bikes. Not necessarily all doing an oilchange, or all doing a full rebuild, but if your members need to book an appointment weeks in advance to be sure that there is a space for them to do their oilchange then that may not be a good thing. Likewise you need to have enough members that a few know how to use the tire machine, how to weld, paint, use the press, port and polish a head, or any of the myriad skills that your club members are likely to want to do on their own.

If your club has a large enough population that someone can do a workshop once a year on how to use the tire machine, and someone else does welding, and another painting etc then you will have a chance at building something like a community. If you end up with two members who know how to do everything, then they will rapidly tire of getting called every time someone strips a thread, or can't get a bearing out.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

Dear JagWaugh, I completely understand your point.
I can not be more specific if we are not sure about the number of the initial participants.

We are going to have a bigger or a smaller place depending on the number of participants.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

I think it is a great Idea..


I have considered this my self - but just for cars. I am not in the Zurich area, but maybe it could all be combined bikes and cars.


I used to have a garage with a lift awailable together with some friends, we would meet up there 1 or 2 times a week. Kick some tirwes, fix minor issues, give each other a helping hand etc. it was a great time.


as I see it, it is not only about saving money, but it works as a great hangout place for social interactions with people of the same interest as your self.


If anyone in the Fribourg / Bern area would com up with this, I would be tempted to join in.


Good luck with your search
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I used to have a garage with a lift awailable together with some friends, we would meet up there 1 or 2 times a week. Kick some tirwes, fix minor issues, give each other a helping hand etc. it was a great time.
When I lived in the States I had a pretty well-set up garage (tools, tire changer, supplies) and I would periodically have "Tech Days" and invite my friends over. Some people had work to do on their bikes and others just came to hang out. I always had something on the grill. And those who had work to do always had the support and knowledge of the rest of the group - it was always a learning experience.


Anyway, it is something I miss since moving here.
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Re: Proposal for a do it yourself moto garage.

Friend of mine has a place in Aargau where that sort of thing is possible - it's mostly a classic bike sharing service, but he's got a few bays with lifts for doing work.

Linky here for the interested.

(caveat- I'm not a bikey person. I just go occasionally to hang out, bash some metal and drink beer - but he's a good bloke and knows what he's on about)
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