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Standing room only on a PIA air plane

I have heard that Russia regularly allows standing passengers on internal flights, and now Pakistan International Airways have allowed it on an international flight,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39081476
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I have heard that Russia regularly allows standing passengers on internal flights, and now Pakistan International Airways have allowed it on an international flight,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39081476
Doesn't surprise me at all. I used to work with them (although I was employed by another airline) and saw similar.... you wouldn't believe the things that went on ... I should write a book!
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I have heard that Russia regularly allows standing passengers on internal flights, and now Pakistan International Airways have allowed it on an international flight,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39081476
The world's going mad. Maybe I can get a wing-seat? Outside?
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What happens with bad turbulence - do the people standing hit the aircraft ceiling or are their feet strapped to the floor?
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Was it really a Boeing 707? That is an old plane!
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Re: Standing room only on a PIA air plane

Observed on a number of flights in Central Asia and east africa: for take offs and landings - people must sit on the floor, during 'seatbelts off' sign, passengers are free to roam about the cabin.
Used to happen not too often, mostly on short flights and due to insufficient frequency.
Seems horrifying for first-worlders, but a norm in certain countries, like travelling on the roof of the train, or hanging out of bus doors...
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Observed on a number of flights in Central Asia and east africa: for take offs and landings - people must sit on the floor, during 'seatbelts off' sign, passengers are free to roam about the cabin.
Used to happen not too often, mostly on short flights and due to insufficient frequency.
Seems horrifying for first-worlders, but a norm in certain countries, like travelling on the roof of the train, or hanging out of bus doors...
We used to joke about Aero Peru, suspecting such things. Don't know if it was true ... doesn't excist anymore.
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No. Would be a 777 or 747.

Edit: It was a 777, they have now corrected the article.

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Observed on a number of flights in Central Asia and east africa: for take offs and landings - people must sit on the floor, during 'seatbelts off' sign, passengers are free to roam about the cabin.
Used to happen not too often, mostly on short flights and due to insufficient frequency.
Seems horrifying for first-worlders, but a norm in certain countries, like travelling on the roof of the train, or hanging out of bus doors...
I never saw this is Central Asia back in 2000 when i lived their and i travelled a lot by air between all of the various Stans.

Which country/route was this exactly ?
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Seems horrifying for first-worlders, but a norm in certain countries, like travelling on the roof of the train, or hanging out of bus doors...
Not quite the same though. You don't need an oxygen supply on a bus or train if there is a loss in cabin air pressure.

I guess it is true that buses on the subcontinent do sometimes plunge hundreds of feet downwards without warning though.
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Re: Standing room only on a PIA air plane

I have never seen it and I have flown on some dubious aircraft with some questionable Latin American, Asian and Russian Airlines in my time. Flying Taca was interesting with people carrying chickens and bundles of Coca leaves the planes were quite scary old Russian built cargo prop planes, with cracked windows and the such like, this was about 25 years ago, I wouldn't fly that way again.
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Doesn't surprise me at all. I used to work with them (although I was employed by another airline) and saw similar.... you wouldn't believe the things that went on ... I should write a book!
Doesn't surprise me at all either. I did a project for work about the change in airline sales tactics in 2010, and part of the 'possible coming trends' section was the standing flights proposed by Ryanair...
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Low-cost airline Ryanair has a plan for standing seats on its planes, but airline experts say it will never happen. Why does the budget carrier come up with far-fetched schemes which often don't come to pass?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8779388.stm

...and it's an idea that doesn't seem to be going away...
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Oliver Smith, Digital Travel Editor
3 February 2015 • 12:00am


Spring Airlines, the Chinese budget carrier, has reiterated its desire to offer cut-price tickets to passengers willing to stand.

Similar schemes have been proposed by other low-cost carriers – notably Ryanair – but aviation authorities have been reticent to approve them due to safety concerns.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ne...ats-on-planes/

When you think that the 80's and 90's was all about onboard entertainment, even on flights under 4hrs, this millennium has been all about flat beds (which I hate personally) and getting you off to sleep on long haul and cafe culture on short haul. Is standing room only next? Then onboard yoga classes maybe?
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Doesn't surprise me at all either. I did a project for work about the change in airline sales tactics in 2010, and part of the 'possible coming trends' section was the standing flights proposed by Ryanair... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8779388.stm

...and it's an idea that doesn't seem to be going away...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ne...ats-on-planes/

When you think that the 80's and 90's was all about onboard entertainment, even on flights under 4hrs, this millennium has been all about flat beds (which I hate personally) and getting you off to sleep on long haul and cafe culture on short haul. Is standing room only next? Then onboard yoga classes maybe?
It surprise me completely as there are civil aviation laws that airlines need to adhere to in order to fly international routes. Local and domestic airlines may flout the rules.
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Re: Standing room only on a PIA air plane

Big deal Aeroflot must have been way ahead of the times back in the day, flew Vnukowo to Yerevan a few times with stops in Kiew and Sochi. If you got one of those Tupolevs´with the "bomber" nose and you paid the pilot you could lay down in the nose for takeoff and landing, quite the "E" ticket ride.
If you had a seat with seatbelt or covers you were quite the lucky intertourist Premium traveller. Sometimes the plane did not always having enough fuel for the trip and had to land somewhere in the Russian Einöd where the crew would ask (us contractors) for fuel money so that they could flag a passing plane down that would sell us surplus fuel. It seemed to be common procedure as there was a pipe and hand pump in the hold, the two aircraft would park wing to wing and pump fuel from one plane to another, then the crew would toss a ladder down an let people on board for cash. They would stand in the aisle or sit anywhere. Of course that meant that the plane was overloaded and the pilot had to "bounce" it off the runway or at least use every last inch of the tarmac.
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To be fair to Ryanair, their proposal did include seat belts and a board to lean back against.
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Big deal Aeroflot must have been way ahead of the times back in the day, flew Vnukowo to Yerevan a few times with stops in Kiew and Sochi. If you got one of those Tupolevs´with the "bomber" nose and you paid the pilot you could lay down in the nose for takeoff and landing, quite the "E" ticket ride.
If you had a seat with seatbelt or covers you were quite the lucky intertourist Premium traveller. Sometimes the plane did not always having enough fuel for the trip and had to land somewhere in the Russian Einöd where the crew would ask (us contractors) for fuel money so that they could flag a passing plane down that would sell us surplus fuel. It seemed to be common procedure as there was a pipe and hand pump in the hold, the two aircraft would park wing to wing and pump fuel from one plane to another, then the crew would toss a ladder down an let people on board for cash. They would stand in the aisle or sit anywhere. Of course that meant that the plane was overloaded and the pilot had to "bounce" it off the runway or at least use every last inch of the tarmac.
Great adventure.
And yet you're still alive and have stories to tell to Pokémon.
While my adventures were never that wild, I do agree, travelling used to be so much more fun than today.
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And yet you're still alive and have stories to tell to Pokémon.
While my adventures were never that wild, I do agree, travelling used to be so much more fun than today.
Can´t wait to tell the story of how Granddad was in Playboy.
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Re: Standing room only on a PIA air plane

Ah, good old PIA. "Please inform Allah" goes without saying

PIA is one of the very few airlines that I personally would not fly (even for free) that actually touch "western soil", out of concern for my safety.

I know, the chance to die in a car accident are probably still higher, but then my brain doesn't always calculate

For all that wonder, by the way, how many pax can be flown in a modern aircraft if the situation really needs it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Solomon

" In order to accommodate as many people as possible, airplanes were stripped of their seats and up to 1,122 passengers were boarded on a single plane."
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I never saw this is Central Asia back in 2000 when i lived their and i travelled a lot by air between all of the various Stans.

Which country/route was this exactly ?
Local flights: osh, bishkek, jalalabad, naryn, etc.
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Maybe I can get a wing-seat? Outside?
That's the new Ryanair inflight creche.
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