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Old 19.03.2017, 16:52
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Caught running a red light

So it finally happened: I drove through a red light. It's the one at Manessestrasse as you get off the highway and just past the Zurich city sign. I was in the right lane and there was one car about 10m in front of me in the left lane which drove straight through the light (which I assumed was green) and I followed without looking (lame, I know, I must be getting old).

Just past the light there's​ the known camera which flashed the car in front first and then me. I just then realized the light might have been red.

So, what kind of fine am I looking at. I know that 250 is the minimum, but what if the light had been red for some time? Is there a maximum?
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Old 19.03.2017, 17:12
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So it finally happened: I drove through a red light. It's the one at Manessestrasse as you get off the highway and just past the Zurich city sign. I was in the right lane and there was one car about 10m in front of me in the left lane which drove straight through the light (which I assumed was green) and I followed without looking (lame, I know, I must be getting old).

Just past the light there's​ the known camera which flashed the car in front first and then me. I just then realized the light might have been red.

So, what kind of fine am I looking at. I know that 250 is the minimum, but what if the light had been red for some time? Is there a maximum?
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Old 19.03.2017, 17:19
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

The maximum is three years in jail. (Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90, Art. 2 Lit. a OBG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a2)

The simple fine No. 309.1 is only possible when you did not endanger anyone. Even not remotely and potentially.

It is assumed that if you passed the red light when it has red for more than two seconds you by definition may have potentially endangered someone.

Means a simple fine is no longer possible Art. 2 Lit. a OBG
As you did potentially endanger some one it may be a case of Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG Means at least a monetary sentence of some days.
With this come Art. 16c and a three month ban.
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Old 19.03.2017, 17:33
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Re: Caught running a red light

As this isn't speeding (I hope), I have split it from the giant speeding fines thread.

Here are a few more threads for you, OP - maybe some others who can relate to the pain you'll feel when you get the bill:

Red Light Jumping - 10 Day Frist

Jumped a red light at St. Francios, Lausanne

CHF 350 fine for passing a red light

Bad time to get fined jumping a red light with current inflation

Ran a "red light" - CHF 250.-
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Thank you for the quick response. I shall await the letter with anticipation and hope that it had only changed to red recently.
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Re: Caught running a red light

Thank you 3Whishes. Should we start I jumped a red light thread?

Mirfields story is potentially the best regarding what could happen if it is not the CHF 250 fine: Red Light Jumping - 10 Day Frist

If you get only the CHF 250 fine, be lucky, thank your deity of preference, and pay the bill within good time.
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The maximum is three years in jail. (Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a90, Art. 2 Lit. a OBG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi.../index.html#a2)

The simple fine No. 309.1 is only possible when you did not endanger anyone. Even not remotely and potentially.

It is assumed that if you passed the red light when it has red for more than two seconds you by definition may have potentially endangered someone.

Means a simple fine is no longer possible Art. 2 Lit. a OBG
As you did potentially endanger some one it may be a case of Art. 90 Abs. 2 SVG Means at least a monetary sentence of some days.
With this come Art. 16c and a three month ban.
3 years in jail seems a bit too much, 250 fr sounds about right... wondering what exactly you have to do to get those 3 years... seems extrene
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3 years in jail seems a bit too much, 250 fr sounds about right... wondering what exactly you have to do to get those 3 years... seems extrene
Perhaps that's if you drive into the red light rather than through it.
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Perhaps that's if you drive into the red light rather than through it.
Yeah, but still... Jail? Seems tooo much... Maybe suspend the drivers license for some time
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Old 19.03.2017, 19:25
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Perhaps that's if you drive into the red light rather than through it.
In which case you would have stopped, if rather abruptly. So, no problem
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Re: Serious Speeding - the law, the fines.

Probably if you cause an accident with serious injury, i think they will send you to jail.
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3 years in jail seems a bit too much, 250 fr sounds about right... wondering what exactly you have to do to get those 3 years... seems extrene
Pass more then 2 seconds after it changed to red and potentially mow down a pile of pedestrians crossing the road, maybe a child or two in a pushchair would help your cause too
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Pass more then 2 seconds after it changed to red and potentially mow down a pile of pedestrians crossing the road, maybe a child or two in a pushchair would help your cause too
Yeah, if thats the case 3 years would be a quite low sentence...

BUT, if it was just a light, and no one on the street, in that case JAIL would be a little too much i guess
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Yeah, but still... Jail? Seems tooo much... Maybe suspend the drivers license for some time
I was specifically asked, and I quote here the OP.

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Is there a maximum?
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So, what kind of fine am I looking at. I know that 250 is the minimum, but what if the light had been red for some time?
And with mirfields case this part of the question is also answered.

PS: I feel like a broken record, but only fine/monetary sentence/jail is up to the judge and court.
Potential driving ban and for how long is not decided by the judge/court but by a completely different authority solely responsible for such things and normally associated with your cantons StVA/SAN. That is why you get two separate letters and two bills.
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Yeah, if thats the case 3 years would be a quite low sentence...

BUT, if it was just a light, and no one on the street, in that case JAIL would be a little too much i guess
While you got a point, a red light is a red light. If I can't trust the others to respect them, what am I gonna do? Start stopping/slowing down at green lights and check if the road is clear like at give ways/stops?

Oh that would cause even more "goslows" than we already have, no?
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While you got a point, a red light is a red light. If I can't trust the others to respect them, what am I gonna do? Start stopping/slowing down at green lights and check if the road is clear like at give ways/stops?

Oh that would cause even more "goslows" than we already have, no?
Yeah, off course, but a lot of frightened drivers is as worse as a lot of people not respecting the rules... people under such preassure is not good, will tend to overreact quite easy, e.g.: someone is so afraid of passing a red light that step on the break so hard that makes the car behind crash against it... this kind of things happen, seen this quite a lot with drivers scared of breaking a rule
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someone is so afraid of passing a red light that step on the break so hard that makes the car behind crash against it...
Then the person behind is at fault for following too closely, and their insurance will pay.

No problem!

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Then the person behind is at fault for following too closely, and their insurance will pay.

No problem!

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hahahahaa well, thats also true...
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Re: Caught running a red light

It's really annoying to approach a green traffic light (with a camera) that is surely to turn yellow and red any second now.

What happens is that all focus is put on that damned traffic light. The rest of the world around you becomes a kind of blur - because you do not want to miss if it turns yellow...

Same with speed-cameras (well, there are speed-cameras at every traffic light, too). You are so concentrated on keeping the speed-limit, you sometimes look more onto your speedometer than on the road.

A headup-display is on the wish-list for the next car....
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It's really annoying to approach a green traffic light (with a camera) that is surely to turn yellow and red any second now.

What happens is that all focus is put on that damned traffic light. The rest of the world around you becomes a kind of blur - because you do not want to miss if it turns yellow...

Same with speed-cameras (well, there are speed-cameras at every traffic light, too). You are so concentrated on keeping the speed-limit, you sometimes look more onto your speedometer than on the road.

A headup-display is on the wish-list for the next car....
My car has a the display on the dashboard which huge speed-display. Something like this:
(I did not put those red marks into the picture )

Used to annoy the hell out of me at the beginning but it does help.
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