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Caryl 15.07.2020 21:51

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3199357)
The driving license is not the issue.




Here the relevant part:
"B) The car's custom, duty, tax, insurance and road worthiness status must be in good order."

As you said: The problem is (was) the UK residency. The driving license has nothing to do with it. As an EU resident you cannot simply bring expensive goods into the EU custom area and use it there. You would need prior permission and the correct paperwork. Only tourist which have their residency outside the EU customs area can do that based on the Istanbul Convention on Temporary Admission. A non-EU license might help to fly under the radar and not rise suspicion, but it would still be a customs offence.

Fair enough. As a kid, in 1965, I bought for $2000 or maybe $3000 a VW Beetle and drove it all around the Mediterranean with a Carnet de Passage en Douane from the AAA. I guess they still issue such things based on a convention but they’re rarely needed. Only now do I know the danger of, say, my renting a French-registered car at GVA and driving it in Switzerland. Hey, back in 1985 the French CRS stopped me while driving a WW plated van near Marseille — full of American wine, undocumented, from the Paris Embassy to my own, in Africa. Only my diplomatic documents and insistence they call the Foreign Ministry before invading the vehicle put them off. The car was new, bought by the USG.

LDR 17.07.2020 15:04

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello everyone,

i have been looking everywhere for a few days but can't find an answer to my question, so i finally decided to post it..

Long story short, i have a Canadian driving license (g class, Ontario) and im trying to get a swiss one.

Nevertheless, i dont know how to fill out the "Formulaire d'échange d'un permis de conduire étranger" properly. (im in Geneva)

The first part with the "catégories" got me lost..

I thought my G Class was the equivalent of a B class here (i have never driven a truck, dont know how, same for a motorbike), but a friend of mine told me that it allowed us to drive heavier trucks than a standard Swiss license. Thus, the G class would be equal to a B, C and C1 here. Is it the case ?

If yes, i assume that i will have to give them a "medical test" for the C, C1 categories.

Thank you and have a nice day !

ddraver 18.07.2020 13:10

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi guys,

I'm back in the UK from CH cos virus and my CBT certificate has lapsed. Preparing to send my Swiss Licence back to the DVLA I notice that it has a date in the A1 column on the back, which doesn't seem any different to the B or D1 categories I also have.

Does this mean that, cos Switzerland, I have a de facto CBT already? The only reason I'd swap it back is for the CBT day..?

It's to ride a 125cc and I'm 36 years old. As far as I can tell there is no reason I should have had a motorbike qualification in CH...

Yours Hopefully...

Adidas 04.09.2020 22:38

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello everyone,

I have a huge problem. My wife is from the EU and she came to Switzerland in 2018 on a student permit before we married. We never cared about the driving license because as a student she didn't have her official residency in Switzerland and from time to time she went back to her home country.

Unfortunately only now I read about this twelve month rule and we just moved to a Canton that doesn't allows the conversion of expired licenses.

Is there anything we can do? Will she have to redo the whole license process (tests, coursed, exams et all)?

aSwissInTheUS 04.09.2020 23:17

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ddraver (Post 3199954)
I'm back in the UK from CH cos virus and my CBT certificate has lapsed. Preparing to send my Swiss Licence back to the DVLA I notice that it has a date in the A1 column on the back, which doesn't seem any different to the B or D1 categories I also have.

Doesn't it also says 45 km/h next to the A1? In that case the A1 is just good enough to ride 50 ccm scooters restricted to a max. 45 km/h. To ride a 125 ccm you would have to do the CBT courses.

aSwissInTheUS 04.09.2020 23:38

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by LDR (Post 3199770)
Long story short, i have a Canadian driving license (g class, Ontario) and im trying to get a swiss one.

Ontario class G seems to be for up to 11 tons, and includes trailers.

Swiss Class B is only up to 3.5 tons.
Class BE, is B with a trailer.
C1 is up to 7.5 tons.
C1E is C1 with a trailer, where total weight can be up to 12 tons
and C is all the rest (without trailer).

AFAIK to get class C w/o a European license you would als need to pass a theory exam covering the commercial vehicles and time keeping.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LDR (Post 3199770)
I thought my G Class was the equivalent of a B class here (i have never driven a truck, dont know how, same for a motorbike), but a friend of mine told me that it allowed us to drive heavier trucks than a standard Swiss license. Thus, the G class would be equal to a B, C and C1 here. Is it the case ?

If yes, i assume that i will have to give them a "medical test" for the C, C1 categories.

Check B, BE, C1, C1E, D1, and D1E and do the needed medical exams.
See also this agreement between Ontario and Switzerland.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...947/index.html
Note: it uses the old Swiss class designation from pre-2003. A2 is now part of B, and D2 became D1.

aSwissInTheUS 05.09.2020 00:02

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by Adidas (Post 3214138)
Unfortunately only now I read about this twelve month rule and we just moved to a Canton that doesn't allows the conversion of expired licenses.

Is there anything we can do? Will she have to redo the whole license process (tests, coursed, exams et all)?

If you cannot renew the driving license in her home country than try to get a statement from the home country which lists what classes and driving privileges she has. Then take this paper to your canton's driving license authority and point them to Art. 24h Abs. 2 VZV, mention "übertriebener Formalismus" and Art. 5 of the Swiss Constitution. Look deep into the others eyes and then calmly mention: "Do you really wan't take this to court?"

Adidas 05.09.2020 07:51

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3214166)
If you cannot renew the driving license in her home country than try to get a statement from the home country which lists what classes and driving privileges she has. Then take this paper to your canton's driving license authority and point them to Art. 24h Abs. 2 VZV, mention "übertriebener Formalismus" and Art. 5 of the Swiss Constitution. Look deep into the others eyes and then calmly mention: "Do you really wan't take this to court?"

I am sorry I didn't explain myself well. The foreign driving license is still valid. But the 12 month period in which you can convert your license has expired. She is now over 2 years in Switzerland and never changed her license.
These two years she was here on a student visa (temporary B).

aSwissInTheUS 06.09.2020 17:28

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by Adidas (Post 3214178)
But the 12 month period in which you can convert your license has expired. She is now over 2 years in Switzerland and never changed her license.

You most likely misunderstood something, where did you get this information? Did you actually try to exchange it?


Because the period in which you can exchange a foreign license w/o any issues is 60 Months after taking up residency. See initial posts of this thread, and you will se why it is the same for all cantons.

Adidas 08.09.2020 09:41

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 3214603)
You most likely misunderstood something, where did you get this information? Did you actually try to exchange it?


Because the period in which you can exchange a foreign license w/o any issues is 60 Months after taking up residency. See initial posts of this thread, and you will se why it is the same for all cantons.

Yes. It was a misunderstanding. I called the Stva and they said they would convert the license. Thanks.

3Wishes 08.09.2020 20:31

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Originally Posted by Adidas (Post 3215210)
Yes. It was a misunderstanding. I called the Stva and they said they would convert the license. Thanks.

It's a common confusion. I believe it's that you're not allowed to drive on the foreign license after 12 months, but you can still convert it to a Swiss one.

Adidas 13.09.2020 18:43

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 3215520)
It's a common confusion. I believe it's that you're not allowed to drive on the foreign license after 12 months, but you can still convert it to a Swiss one.

Yes on the website of the Canton it said that foreign driving licenses are invalid after 12 months and that expired license cannot be exchanged. I mixed up expired license with voided ones.

Luckily driving licenses can be exchanged also after the 12 months period.

hcase 15.09.2020 11:57

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi all,

I've been in Switzerland for the past year and maintained my Italian residence as well, last month I took the exam in Italy for the cat. A driving license and now I'd like to convert my driving license (A & B) to a Swiss one. Problem is I didn't know I couldn't do that:

Can I exchange ANY license into a Swiss license?
- Unless special circumstances, it must not been issued aboard while you were a Swiss resident.
- You must have acquired your license while you were not a Swiss resident (exceptions apply).

Now my question is, what are those special circumstances/exceptions? I couldn't find anything official / unofficial on this topic.

Thank you in advance!

draganl 25.10.2020 22:33

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello everyone,

I didn't want to start new post with my question as I searched throughout the forum but I couldn't find the answer regarding my situation.

* I have driving licence from non happy country but EU passport. I applied for licence exchange 4 weeks ago in canton Jura in Delemont. I brought all the documents, filled form, photos and my licence, they took everything and said we will get back to me in couple of weeks.
Recently I received from office des vehicules, a bill of 145 CHF to pay in one month, a autorisation (paper form) to drive next two months, paper where they explained to me that, basically, I have to find a driving instructor who will evaluate my knowledge of driving in Switzerland and *fiche d'inscription a l'examen pratique de conduite* form to be filled out by the instructor.
My question is - is this a official driving test or is it more relaxed version of test
What should I do, should I ask them to take few driving lessons before this actual driving test or should i go directly for a drive
My driver licence was issued 1997, so, I am not beginner in driving and I am driving here in Switzerland for a while

Many thanks

wakame 26.10.2020 10:30

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by draganl (Post 3231235)
Hello everyone,

I didn't want to start new post with my question as I searched throughout the forum but I couldn't find the answer regarding my situation.

* I have driving licence from non happy country but EU passport. I applied for licence exchange 4 weeks ago in canton Jura in Delemont. I brought all the documents, filled form, photos and my licence, they took everything and said we will get back to me in couple of weeks.
Recently I received from office des vehicules, a bill of 145 CHF to pay in one month, a autorisation (paper form) to drive next two months, paper where they explained to me that, basically, I have to find a driving instructor who will evaluate my knowledge of driving in Switzerland and *fiche d'inscription a l'examen pratique de conduite* form to be filled out by the instructor.
My question is - is this a official driving test or is it more relaxed version of test
What should I do, should I ask them to take few driving lessons before this actual driving test or should i go directly for a drive
My driver licence was issued 1997, so, I am not beginner in driving and I am driving here in Switzerland for a while

Many thanks

It is the full driving test. Since you have a licence from a non happy country, you will have to do the full practical test

spammer 26.10.2020 15:13

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Hi all

I took the time to register just to send you all a thanks note for all the detailed and helpful info in this thread. I’ve succeeded in doing my driving license exam (as I’m coming from a “non-happy country”) and now I’m waiting for my license to arrive.

Did the exam from the TCS Centre in Cossonay, VD. If anyone would like me to know about my experience, hit me up!

Cheers
I.

LamD 23.11.2020 00:13

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello everyone,

I would be extremely grateful if a nice sweet helpful soul could give me some hours of practice with their car for the next 3 weeks for an upcoming (cough) Kontrolfarht, or Course de contrôle in Neuchâtel SCAN.

I am not sure about the going rate per hour but it will be something we discuss. I live in 2000 Neuchâtel. I have done 20 hours on the road, 5 hours with an instructor, and I am going to book 5 more hours with an instructor in the nxt 3 weeks. My exam date falls on the 11.12.

If you have any tips about passing the contrôle in this area please let me know.

Thank you and have a nice day!

draganl 27.11.2020 15:51

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Thank you everyone for detailed informations regarding driving licences.
Sorry for my late reply.
I just want to let pass you my experience with this.
AS *Wakame said, yes, I needed to take full driving test.
I took 5 lessons as I thought it would be highly recommended before exam. I must say it paid off, as what we did in lessons that was exactly the same with a exam officer. I was driving for an about 1 hour...as I am from Jura canton and there is no traffic lights, it was little bit different experience. All in all, you will need to take full attention to what your driving instructor is saying...yes, it is, a bit stressful in the beginning but it all makes sense when you sit in the car and drive with a local examiner.
So, good luck to everyone and take a few driving lessons before exam!!

LamD 11.12.2020 15:49

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you all for your useful posts :)

I passed the Course de Contrôle today. The control was administered by SCAN Neuchâtel in Malviliers. My situation is a bit different, as I registered for the control at SAN Lausanne early August, then moved to Neuchâtel in September. They transferred my application to SCAN and the SCAN allowed me to take the test early December, so in all I had 4 months and 11 days to prepare for the test, as opposed to other people who are obliged to take it before the 4-month deadline is up. Despite the prolonged deadline, I went down with the COVID in the week just before the exam, and thus I had to deduct 14 days of isolation; therefore, the total practice time stayed basically the same as anyone else - from August to end of November.

For the preparation, I took 7 lessons in total, drove with a friend a bit in Lausanne, and drove 4 times on my own with a Mobility car in the two weeks before the exam. I took a Mobility Click and Drive subscription, so personal practice was on the pricy side. The lessons are truly worth it, and please do not hesitate to switch instructors if you feel uncomfortable with your current instructor. Personally, I thought that I was too stubborn and thus made the switch too late, thankfully everything worked out really well with the new instructor in the last weeks before the exam.

After every lesson I rigorously noted down the places, routes and rules that the moniteur said I was underperforming (e.g roundabouts, mountain motorways...). Then, in my personal practice, I simply repeated these routes using a predefined google traject (instead of just wandering around) and mumbled rules to myself until they "clicked" for me. I always explain what I have learned and what my mistakes are to my moniteur by written communication so that he can better organize the next lesson and help me improve.

What I wish I would have done earlier :
- Find another instructor earlier
- Practice more on my own (It was distracting when I drove with a friend)

My driving background
- Regular driver in my country with 6 yrs of experience; old driving habit : push the steering wheel instead of pulling it while turning
- "Non-happy" country, traffic rules are not always respected, it's very common to drive slowly in cities (i.e 20km/h) and drive at 80 km/h in a 100 km/h highway. Also, almost no one knows or respects the "priorité de droite".
- No prior mountainway driving or snow driving experience before arriving in Switzerland, because snow does not exist in my city of origin.

Edit: I added the comments on my mistakes made by the examiner:
- Too careful in cities, therefore not too dynamic at priority intersections
- I drove a bit on the slower side (around 65 - 70km/h) on mountainways but he attributed it to my lack of experience with snow driving and plus most of the time the road was wet (it snowed on the exam day)
- 3 more lessons and maybe then I would be experienced enough.

Feel free to pm me if you have any questions :)

firestomper 16.12.2020 20:52

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Hi all,



Many thanks for this forums, very informative. Have another interesting question that may need to be added to FAQ.



If since moving to switzerland and been driving around, and get some fines all before doing conversion to swiss License, does that have an impact on the conversion, as they might look at that and if one would have too many fines, decide that they should rather start from beginning? :msnsarcastic:


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