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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

Hello,

I have a question about the Kontrollfahrt in Zurich. My partner needs to do a Kontrollfahrt to convert his non-happy country license to a Swiss one. To see if he was prepared enough for the test, he went on a couple of practice drives with a Fahrschule instructor. On both the drives the instructor told him that he wasn't driving well enough for the test and would likely not pass.

This was very surprising to us as he (in our opinion) he is a very safe driver. He has driven in India and the US for several years, had a US license (by passing a driving test there), has had no accidents or tickets in over 15 years of driving in several countries and is also familiar with the rules for driving in Switzerland (priority lanes, lane switching etc). I understand a test is different, but is the Kontrollfahrt really that difficult to clear? Would anyone have any recommendations for what he can do to become better or is the instructor being more cautious than necessary?

Would appreciate any advice!
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Hello,

I have a question about the Kontrollfahrt in Zurich. My partner needs to do a Kontrollfahrt to convert his non-happy country license to a Swiss one. To see if he was prepared enough for the test, he went on a couple of practice drives with a Fahrschule instructor. On both the drives the instructor told him that he wasn't driving well enough for the test and would likely not pass.

This was very surprising to us as he (in our opinion) he is a very safe driver. He has driven in India and the US for several years, had a US license (by passing a driving test there), has had no accidents or tickets in over 15 years of driving in several countries and is also familiar with the rules for driving in Switzerland (priority lanes, lane switching etc). I understand a test is different, but is the Kontrollfahrt really that difficult to clear? Would anyone have any recommendations for what he can do to become better or is the instructor being more cautious than necessary?

Would appreciate any advice!
Did the instructor not provide any advice? It's hard to know what your partner should focus on improving if he doesn't know what he did wrong.

I can tell you firsthand that having an American license doesn't mean you'll know how to drive mistake-free here. For one thing, the signs are totally different. I couldn't believe they let me convert my license with only an eye exam!
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

@3Wishes, thank you for the information. The instructor mentioned a few things, some of which seemed contradicting in the same drive.
1. Rechts vortritt (This was probably a genuine mistake)
2. He mentioned that he was not switching lanes early enough
3. Preselecting the lane to be on.
4. That he was stopping in some cases and not stopping in other cases for pedestrians at cross walks
5. That he shouldn't have waited behind a tram in one instance.
5. He was too much to the right (infringing on the bike lane) or too much to the left in other cases.

He has been working on the rechts vortritt and the lane switching, but the decision about pedestrians for example, seems like a judgement call that one makes every time you see a pedestrian approaching a crosswalk and it seemed odd that an instructor would say that he was stopping too much?
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

Hi there,

First of all, thanks for all the info, it's super helpful! My situation is a little convoluted and I was wondering if someone could either give me some reassurance or correct me if I'm wrong.

I am Spanish, and I moved to Zurich in 2019 with a B permit but without a driving license. My contract, however, finished in August 2021, and I unregistered from Zurich and moved back to Spain. While in Spain, I was looking for a job (anywhere in the world, but "really" trying to find something in Switzerland). In the meantime, while unemployed, I obtained my Spanish driving license (this was in December 2021). And here it comes the tricky part. I have now found a job in Switzerland (starting in Feb 2022) and registered back to Switzerland (in the Geneva canton).

Following the thread and the FAQ, I understand that I should be able to obtain a provisional license, as I wasn't registered in Switzerland (unregistered from Zurich and living in Spain) when I got my driving license (I only registered in Geneva after obtaining my license). That said, I am still a little bit hesitant because my B permit is still the same one I had before leaving Switzerland.

It would be fantastic if someone could give me their take on my situation (reassuring or alarming, I will appreciate it either way!). Thanks in advance!
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

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How do you still have the same one? Especially since you've also changed cantons. This is impossible, in my opinion. Did you de-register from the commune when you left? Such as to be able to cancel things like phone bill, etc
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How do you still have the same one? Especially since you've also changed cantons. This is impossible, in my opinion. Did you de-register from the commune when you left? Such as to be able to cancel things like phone bill, etc
Two different cantons, so not sure how it can be the same permit
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

It sounds like the B permit from ZH wasn't handed back.
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

I ask this question because I searched a lot and couldn't find the answer.
I see the term 12 months on various websites and on this forum, and I'm worried a bit.
I didn't drive since I entered Switzerland (now 12 months is passed), and I have a driving license from a so-called non-happy country. Can I still convert it to a Swiss driving license by only taking an eye and practical exam? or, I have to begin from the very beginning because 12 months is passed?
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

The same here: I have been in Siwtzerland for 5 years and am only now in the process of exchanging the license.
You can still do it with only a practical test and eye exam, no need to go to a driving school. If you have not driven in Switzwerland after those 12 months you have not broken any rules/laws.
Just fill in the form, take an eye test and submit the exchange application. They then will send you a form to fill in to apply for a test date. Once you have it, you will be allowed to drive until the test and after if you pass it.

I have spoken to a lot of colleagues/friends who had to do the test and they all said that you should for sure take lessons before to know what an examiner would expect of you during the test.
I am currently taking lessons and have a test date set-up for 21st June (which is about 2 months after I submitted the application). I would say make sure you have some lessons secured when you apply for exchanging the license as it might be tricky to find one.
Good luck!
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

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Once you have it, you will be allowed to drive until the test and after if you pass it
I'm not really sure that by default you can do that. If I remember correctly this letter mentions that you can drive to the place and on the day of the exam. I would clarify that in person while submitting the application.
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Old 12.05.2022, 19:36
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Can I still convert it to a Swiss driving license by only taking an eye and practical exam? or, I have to begin from the very beginning because 12 months is passed?
Yes you can still convert it as long as the license is still valid. No problem. It is just no longer valid for driving in Switzerland. You just have to do the Kontrollfahrt. If you want to practice you can get a special permission from your cantons driving license authority.
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

That was what my paper said with the date of the exam. I have also checked with my diriving instructor, and he confirmed.
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

Hi guys, do you have any summary of the rules on switzerland?
I'm from Brazil and I need to do a practice test I think to get the license.
So I would like to read about your signes and see if has some difference.
Thank you!
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Hi guys, do you have any summary of the rules on switzerland?
I'm from Brazil and I need to do a practice test I think to get the license.
So I would like to read about your signes and see if has some difference.
Thank you!
A classic book is "Driving Today" which just got a new release this year.
CHF 38 , Springer, 2022, EAN/ISBN: 7640147187078
https://new.exlibris.ch/de/buecher-b.../7640147187078
(You might find a scan of an older version online. It's 95% correct. Some important changes since than:
- max BAC is now 0.05%.
- You must allow zipper merging if a lane ends
- Driving backwards is only allowed when absolutely needed. Otherwise you must turn.)

An other one is "theorie24 - Theorie-Lernbuch I/E"
CHF 24.90, CTM Alder, 2021. EAN/ISBN: 9783906851792
https://new.exlibris.ch/de/buecher-b...9783906851792/

If you are just interested in the signs, you can also see all of them on Wikipedia:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildta...tein_seit_2021

One very important basic rule you have to be aware about is priority to the right:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_to_the_right
If you do your test drive in Zurich be aware that this applies for example to the intersection Uetlibergstrasse/Giesshübelstrassen and to Manesseplatz.

An other important rule: Do not cross a solid line (single or double!), unless it has dashes on your side. Not even for a left turn!
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

I'm in a bit of a peculiar situation that didn't seem to be described anywhere I read (first 5 pages + last couple).

I got my driving license in the US (Florida), but moved to a non-happy country (my home country) in the Balkans and exchanged my license there.
So I can't renew my US license, and I only have a photocopy of it (expired in 2019).

Based on several online resources - including the first posts - the test drive is based on the country where you originally passed the exam ("If you did your driving test in a "non happy" country you may have to do a so called "test drive"."), meaning I should be able to avoid it.
What would you advise the best course of action to be? Bring photocopies of the old US license + a driving record extract showing I passed the exam there [in addition to all the forms etc.]? Should that be enough?
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

As an update to my post above, I went to the cantonal vehicles office in Geneva, and was told that I can only get an exchange based on my "non happy" country license, because my Florida license had expired, and no document (e.g. driving record extract) can be used instead.
According to them, the only thing that matters is the license that I'm exchanging, not the country where I originally got the license. This is contrary to what I understood from various post on the forum.

Any advice on how to proceed to get an exchange while considering my US license - i.e. without the test drive? Any articles I should refer to, perhaps writing to the office via email beforehand?
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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

I exchanged my foreign driver's license for a Swiss one last year, and I have a probation period until April 2023. I just realized that I should have done the "deux phases" course within one year from the exchange, so end of July of this year... Of course, I am late (and stupid...) Here are my questions:



1) If I understood correctly what I found, I can still drive normally, but "simply" risk a 300 chf fine in case of control? Can this fine happen only once, or could I potentially be fined every time I drive until I pass do the course ?



2) Can I still register for a "deux phases" course, as long as I do it before April 2023? I was thinking of doing it at the end of August, as soon as I get back from holidays...


3) Also, what is the content of the course? It seems extremely long...
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I exchanged my foreign driver's license for a Swiss one last year, and I have a probation period until April 2023. I just realized that I should have done the "deux phases" course within one year from the exchange, so end of July of this year... Of course, I am late (and stupid...) Here are my questions:

1) If I understood correctly what I found, I can still drive normally, but "simply" risk a 300 chf fine in case of control? Can this fine happen only once, or could I potentially be fined every time I drive until I pass do the course ?

2) Can I still register for a "deux phases" course, as long as I do it before April 2023? I was thinking of doing it at the end of August, as soon as I get back from holidays...

3) Also, what is the content of the course? It seems extremely long...
Giving this a bump since you posted yesterday and there aren't any replies yet.
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I exchanged my foreign driver's license for a Swiss one last year, and I have a probation period until April 2023. I just realized that I should have done the "deux phases" course within one year from the exchange, so end of July of this year... Of course, I am late (and stupid...) Here are my questions:



1) If I understood correctly what I found, I can still drive normally, but "simply" risk a 300 chf fine in case of control? Can this fine happen only once, or could I potentially be fined every time I drive until I pass do the course ?



2) Can I still register for a "deux phases" course, as long as I do it before April 2023? I was thinking of doing it at the end of August, as soon as I get back from holidays...


3) Also, what is the content of the course? It seems extremely long...
I can only answer question 3.

It’s a one day course where you learn about driving in different road conditions and recognising hazards.

My son did it a couple of years ago and they simulated black ice on the road and other stuff like that. He really enjoyed it. His probation period ends in a couple of weeks.
It used to be two days but they changed that a few years ago and it’s just the one now.

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Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II

1) It is a one time fine. (At least that is how I interpret Art. 148 VZV)

2) Yes. You can simply register for one of the courses. https://2-phases.ch/nouveaux-conduct...s-deux-phases/

3) Have some fun sliding around and doing emergcy stops.







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