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aSwissInTheUS 08.10.2019 17:14

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by apacuk (Post 3104994)
I have a car in the UK. I cannot insure it with a Swiss licence. I must have a UK Licence for my car insurance to be valid.

I want to occasionally drive in Switzerland after 12 months.

Is this possible?

This is foremostly an UK insurance issue. From the story I read so far UK car insurances seam to bit a bit anal.
The options I see:
-Find an UK insurance willing to insure you.
-Do the Swiss driving license from scratch.
-Ask the Swiss authority if they can keep the UK license on hold, so that you can temporary exchange it when you need in the UK (using EceErgin problem)

Some UK wise/national with a better idea?

aSwissInTheUS 08.10.2019 17:40

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by EceErgin (Post 3107477)
I am so frustrated. Maybe if I understand the logic, it will be easier to accept.
Many thanks in advance

Be courteous, friendly, but strict and precise.

Point them to
ASA Richtline No. 1 Abschnitt 36, Seite 22 https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=22
Artikel 44 Absatz 4 Verkehrszulassungsverordnung https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a44

then ask them nicely if you missed something and if yes based on which other applicable law or regulations they intend to keep the driving license.

If they do not name any other regulations and still want to keep the other license request an "anfechtbare Verfügung" why they do not follow Art. 44 Abs 4 VZV / ASA No.1. An "anfechtbare Verfügung" is an official decision against which you can formally object. The Verfügung must instruct how you can object and what the time limit is.
https://www.konsumentenschutz.ch/wie...iner-behoerde/

If they name other applicable laws or regulations note them down and request a copy of them. Then check what is written there before you request an "anfechtbare Verfügung".

Fedi 24.10.2019 10:39

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello,

Many thanks for having created this post and for sharing all the information.
I read something that could apply to my case, but I prefer to ask.

I got in Switzerland 2 years ago, as a student - so no need and money to drive :D, I have now started working - Zurich canton, so I want to convert my licence.

I have an italian B licence issued in 2012, so no problem, I would say. In 05.2019 - during the semester break, I went in Italy and issued an A licence - unlimited motorcycles.

1. Is a - big, huge dramatic, problem the fact that I went back to Italy while I was a Swiss resident and issued a licence?
2. If the answer to 1. is no, will I have a provisional license because of the A licence I got less than 12 months ago?
If the answer to 1. is yes, what should I do? still give it a go?

Thanks a loooooooot!!!

aSwissInTheUS 29.10.2019 14:32

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Regarding license on probation: What maters is the date when you first got category B or A. If either of this date is more than 12 months before you became a Swiss residence then you will not get a license on probation.

Regarding acquiring an additional category while you were a Swiss residence. In the worst this category is void in Switzerland and it can not be exchanged. As you have been a Swiss resident for more than 12 months your foreign driving license is any way not valid for driving in Switzerland.

What can you do?
- Apply for a straight swap by mail and simply select all categories, see what you will get.
- Fill in the exchange form and hand it in at the counter at the StVA and specifically ask if also A can be swapped.
- If you do not get A, apply for a learners permit, do the needed courses, pass the test. Total cost is around CHF 500.

Guest 29.10.2019 14:48

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
In foreign countries achieved driver licenses while being a Swiss Resident are only recognised here if they were achieved during a stay with a minimum of 12 consecutive months in that country.

So legally your cat A. is worthless here.

On the other hand, just apply and it might be your lucky day.

Relagu 28.11.2019 11:27

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by martin959 (Post 2842986)
Hi guys, I started the process of changing the Spanish drivers license last week in Basel Land, and today I got a letter that they were doing some investigations and so on (according to google translator.... :rolleyes: ) and that I have to pay 70 Chf.

Is this normal? :rolleyes:

Hey!
As a fellow spanish I am deeply curious on how did the whole conversion went. Did you have any issues with it at all?

I am planning to bring my car (spanish plates) and will be looking to register it in Switzerland.

manuelv 14.01.2020 14:55

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
I can share my very positive experience today.

I gave the papers in my Gemeinde Egg, Zurich, last Friday 10 Jan, paid 20 CHF.

Today, 14, I received my new converted driving license. :D

2 working days :eek::eek:

Portuguese citizen living in Zurich for 4y and 11 months.

manuelv 22.01.2020 20:35

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The rest of the bill arrived today.

85 CHF.

So in total

10.50 for eye test
20 at the gemeinde
85 by invoice

115.50CHF

ConfusedinCH 29.04.2020 02:10

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi there, thanks so much for your super helpful and informative post! I’m in a bit of a pickle and need some advice.
Moved to Switzerland in June 2019. I wanted to convert from my singapore licence to Swiss but just realised that it expired last week! I wanted to get it done but with covid lockdown it just wasn’t possible. This license was issued in 2015 with expiry April 2020 so I would meet the 3yr min timeframe. I also have a Canadian license which was issued prior to 2015, and again in November 2017 as we moved from Canada to Singapore back to Canada. The latest licence was issued in November 2017 (Expires 2022) but it doesn’t meet the 3yr Issue timeframe. There is overlap in all the licences meaning I had a continuous valid license the last 10 years, just that it was different countries.

1) do you think the gemeinde will have some “leniency” on the Singapore license given covid?
2) or will they use my continuous licences from Canada and Singapore to create a “chain”?
3) what if I wait until November 2020 to convert - will they find me or make take the practical test?
4) is it ok to have multiple licenses in Switzerland... I read in some countries it’s illegal.

So as you can see, im confused and need some advice please.

Thank you!

aSwissInTheUS 29.04.2020 09:06

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
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Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
but it doesn’t meet the 3yr Issue timeframe.

Sorry, i am lost, I do not understand what you mean with "3yr time frame issue". That your license can be converted:
1. It must still be valid.
2. Must have been acquired before becoming a Swiss resident.
3. Must have been acquired at least a 12 months before becoming a Swiss resident or you will get a license on probation (which is bit of a nuisance but not a big problem).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
1) do you think the gemeinde will have some “leniency” on the Singapore license given covid?

It is the StVA Zürich which will decide. They are normally quite helpful with any questions. Best is to write an e-mail, so it can be forwareded internally to the correct office. https://stva.zh.ch/internet/sicherhe...n/StVA_Al.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
2) or will they use my continuous licences from Canada and Singapore to create a “chain”?

I do not see why you would need a "chain". Your Canadian license issued 2017 should be perfectly fine for conversion into a Swiss license.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
3) what if I wait until November 2020 to convert - will they find me or make take the practical test?

Why wait till then? I assume you mean "fine me". There will be no fines. At leas as long as you do not drive w/o a valid license. Your Canadian license is still valid for driving in Switzerland till June (12 months year after tacking up Swiss residency) and also suitable for conversion till 2022 when it expires. Canada is on the list of "happy countries", no need to do a test drive (practical test "light").

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
4) is it ok to have multiple licenses in Switzerland... I read in some countries it’s illegal.

Perfectly o.k. But once you have a Swiss license all foreign licenses are void for driving in Switzerland.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176893)
So as you can see, im confused and need some advice please.

As you can see I am a bit confused as well ;)

Here my suggestion: Write the StVA if they still do license conversion during the COVID time. Also ask them what you should do in case they do not convert it at the moment and if you can still drive with your Canadian license after June.

If they still convert licenses, do all what is needed and get your Canadian license converted.

ConfusedinCH 29.04.2020 10:36

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Good morning - thanks for coming back to me! hehe - sorry that I confused you. I spoke to the StVA Zurich and she said that it's ok if the foreign license was issued less than 3 years ago (I thought that was the rule, but I got it wrong). So long as the foreign license issue date (Nov 2017) and date of arrive into Switzerland (June 2019) has one full year in between.

So I'm all good then :)

I will get my US license returned to me and I understand that I cannot use it here. If I go to the US for a holiday and rent a car, can I then use my US license there?

Have a great day!!

3Wishes 29.04.2020 18:13

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ConfusedinCH (Post 3176960)
Good morning - thanks for coming back to me! hehe - sorry that I confused you. I spoke to the StVA Zurich and she said that it's ok if the foreign license was issued less than 3 years ago (I thought that was the rule, but I got it wrong). So long as the foreign license issue date (Nov 2017) and date of arrive into Switzerland (June 2019) has one full year in between.

So I'm all good then :)

I will get my US license returned to me and I understand that I cannot use it here. If I go to the US for a holiday and rent a car, can I then use my US license there?

Have a great day!!

You have a US license too? Gee that's quite a collection!

wakame 26.05.2020 10:56

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hello,


I arrived in Ch on the 01.01.2020 on a B permit. I got my licence from my home country back in 2014, also from a "happy" country.


Can I exchange my licence today? or do I have to wait until I have live in CH for 12 months?

Ace1 26.05.2020 11:08

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wakame (Post 3184865)
Hello,


I arrived in Ch on the 01.01.2020 on a B permit. I got my licence from my home country back in 2014, also from a "happy" country.


Can I exchange my licence today? or do I have to wait until I have live in CH for 12 months?

If your home country's licence is acceptable then you could indeed exchange it today, but you can continue using it for up to twelve months before doing so. After that point you're no longer allowed to drive here until it's exchanged.

wakame 03.06.2020 17:00

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 3184871)
If your home country's licence is acceptable then you could indeed exchange it today, but you can continue using it for up to twelve months before doing so. After that point you're no longer allowed to drive here until it's exchanged.

It did work after all. I'll post my experience for future members reference

Non-EU, "happy" country, permit B, Canton Vaud, licence class A&B
Original license issue date > 1 year from date of entry (01.01.2020)
Steps taken:
1. Complete the form, complete the eye exam, opticians signature on the form.
2. Get passport photo, original license, ID, passport and headed down to SAN
3. Total waiting/queuing time 30 mins.
4. New licence issued on the spot.
5. Bill sent to address.

danielthelala 04.06.2020 20:31

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi All,

I tried converting driving license from one of the happy countries (Singapore) few weeks back and got a letter in the post explaining that I require an examination. :(:(:(

Here's a snip it of the letter:

Sehr Mit Gesuch vom 15. Mai 2020 haben Sie den Umtausch Ihres ausländischen Führerausweises in einen schweizerischen beantragt. Wir haben die Unterlagen überprüft. Gemäss Art. 44 Abs. 1 der Verkehrszulassungsverordnung (VZV; SR 541.51) kann Ihnen der schwei- zerische Führerausweis nur erteilt werden, wenn Sie auf einer Kontrollfahrt nachweisen, dass Sie die Verkehrsregeln kennen und Fahrzeuge der Kategorien, für die der Ausweis gelten soll, sicher zu führen verstehen. Die Kosten der Kontrollfahrt gehen zu Ihren Lasten. Bis zur Durchführung der Kontrollfahrt gilt dieses Schreiben als provisorischer Führer- ausweis. Er berechtigt Sie zum Fahren eines Motorfahrzeuges der Kategorie B'und ist nur innerhalb der Schweiz gültig. Das beiliegende Anmeldeformular enthält wichtige Informationen. Wir bitten Sie, uns dieses aus- gefüllt und unterzeichnet innerhalb von 10 Tagen ab Erhalt dieses Schreibens zurückzusenden. Anschliessend erhalten Sie die Einladung zur Kontrollfahrt.

Maybe a mistake on their part?

I am planning to visit the Motorfahzeugkontrolle in Solothurn next week and bring along prints outs below stating "Der Umtausch des ausländischen in einen schweizerischen Führerausweis erfolgt prüfungsfrei"

https://so.ch/fileadmin/internet/bjd...ohnsitz_SO.pdf

and page 9 of this document showing "Singapur" as an exempted country "Nur von der Kontrollfahrt nach Artikel 44 Absatz 1 VZV befreit sind Inhaber und Inhaberinnen
ausländischer Führerausweise aus"


http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2591_d.pdf

What else do you think I should bring to appeal the test drive?

Thank you!

danielthelala 04.06.2020 20:37

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Short background of me:-

Got the first L-Permit late 2018.
Second year L-Permit
Got the Singaporean license in early 2017.

3Wishes 04.06.2020 20:45

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Any chance they think your license includes driving things like big trucks or buses? I've seen stories on EF where people were asked to do a control test for that, even if they never drove a truck or bus. Clarifying which type of license is being converted might be your first step?

danielthelala 04.06.2020 20:53

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Hi 3Wishes,

I applied for a B and B1 only.

On the back of the Sg license card, it shows

"Class 3 Motor cars with unladen weight=< 3000kg with =<7 passengers, exclusive of driver; and other motor vehicles with unladen weight =<2500kg"

Do you think this is understanding issue as it does not specifically say B & B1?

Thank you.

wakame 04.06.2020 20:58

Re: [Drivers licence] Conversion and questions, Mark II
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danielthelala (Post 3187954)
Hi 3Wishes,

I applied for a B and B1 only.

On the back of the Sg license card, it shows

"Class 3 Motor cars with unladen weight=< 3000kg with =<7 passengers, exclusive of driver; and other motor vehicles with unladen weight =<2500kg"

Do you think this is understanding issue as it does not specifically say B & B1?

Thank you.

I think you picked a B1 without having a B1 équivalent.

When is the issue date of your class 3 and when is your date of entry into ch?


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