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maypril 10.04.2017 11:57

Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Automotive gurus,

I need your experience and opinion on tire wear of summer vs. winter tires.

So here's what I have:
  1. Continental summers, about 11K km with 5.4mm average on all 4 tires.
  2. Nokian winters, about 17K km with 7.2mm average on all 4 tires.
Both tires if I'm not mistaken were manufactured on the same year. Obviously used in the same car and I believe driven in the same manner, well I suppose, maybe a bit more spirited in summer.


Anyway, I can't understand how my Contis are 2mm lower with less kms on it? Does the hotter tarmac in summer make it worse? Or, is it just Contis are crap vs. Nokians?

Guest 10.04.2017 12:04

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770368)
Automotive gurus,

I need your experience and opinion on tire wear of summer vs. winter tires.

So here's what I have:
  1. Continental summers, about 11K km with 5.4mm average on all 4 tires.
  2. Nokian winters, about 17K km with 7.2mm average on all 4 tires.
Both tires if I'm not mistaken were manufactured on the same year. Obviously used in the same car and I believe driven in the same manner, well I suppose, maybe a bit more spirited in summer.


Anyway, I can't understand how my Contis are 2mm lower with less kms on it? Does the hotter tarmac in summer make it worse? Or, is it just Contis are crap vs. Nokians?

Maybe you were more "spirited" than you think you were... :D

JagWaugh 10.04.2017 12:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770368)
Anyway, I can't understand how my Contis are 2mm lower with less kms on it? Does the hotter tarmac in summer make it worse? Or, is it just Contis are crap vs. Nokians?

How do you know the Contis have worn more? Perhaps the winter tires started with a deeper tread depth?

Summer tires do tend to wear faster. Temperature, driving style, moisture/precipitation, all play a role.

Treverus 10.04.2017 12:06

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770368)
Anyway, I can't understand how my Contis are 2mm lower with less kms on it? Does the hotter tarmac in summer make it worse? Or, is it just Contis are crap vs. Nokians?

1. Do you drive faster in summer? I do...
2. Summer tires typically start with less thread than winter tires...
3. There is more to tires than winter and summer... I had extremely different summer tires from hard "eco" tires for low gas milage and long tire durability to ultra soft toyo proxes sport tires... how much grip do you want and are you willing to pay for it?

maypril 10.04.2017 12:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JagWaugh (Post 2770377)
How do you know the Contis have worn more? Perhaps the winter tires started with a deeper tread depth?

Summer tires do tend to wear faster. Temperature, driving style, moisture/precipitation, all play a role.

I'm quite sure that the Nokian winters started at 8mm.

The Conti summers, I admit I don't know because it was on the car when bought and first measured only on the change-over. If the Contis started at 6mm, then this explains everything :msncool:.

I sure understand that tire wear is due to a lot of factors. I just want to know what other experience here.

nejc 10.04.2017 12:26

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Everything above plus: even two different types of summer tyres would have different wear. C'mon, mileage is one of the properties of tyre you usually check when you are buying it.

papasmurf 10.04.2017 14:17

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My Nokian winters have much deeper tread than the summers to start with.

Plus really impressed with the Nokians

hairybadger 10.04.2017 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papasmurf (Post 2770470)
My Nokian winters have much deeper tread than the summers to start with.

Plus really impressed with the Nokians

Me too - WR D3 and now D4. The life I get out of them could be better (I replace them long before they get down to the winter wear indicators) but given the price I'm not complaining :)

maypril 10.04.2017 15:06

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papasmurf (Post 2770470)
My Nokian winters have much deeper tread than the summers to start with.

Plus really impressed with the Nokians

Quote:

Originally Posted by hairybadger (Post 2770492)
Me too - WR D3 and now D4. The life I get out of them could be better (I replace them long before they get down to the winter wear indicators) but given the price I'm not complaining :)

Do you guys have experience with Nokian summer tires? With the data I have, Nokian (albeit winters) are doing better than the Contis... so next summer tires will be most likely Nokian pending more info.

This is the reason I started this thread. I want to hear others' experience, to understand 'in general' how summer tires wear compared to winters.

I don't want to bash my Conti summers wrongly nor give undue praise to my Nokian winters.

Treverus 10.04.2017 15:33

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Nokian is a Finish company, so they might know winter better ;-)

Again: there is more to tires than the brand - what sort of Continental do you have? Rain, sport, economy?

hairybadger 10.04.2017 15:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770508)
Do you guys have experience with Nokian summer tires? With the data I have, Nokian (albeit winters) are doing better than the Contis... so next summer tires will be most likely Nokian pending more info.

I generally base my tyre-buying decisions on the TCS tyre reviews. I typically don't look beyond the first few results and the last time I bought summer tyres - about a year ago - Nokian was on the list but not available in the size I required.

maypril 10.04.2017 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770521)
Nokian is a Finish company, so they might know winter better ;-)

Again: there is more to tires than the brand - what sort of Continental do you have? Rain, sport, economy?

Yes, I know Nokian is a 'specialist' for winter.

I have these:
Conti CrossContact UHP 235/60 R18 103V
Nokian WR G2 SUV 235/60 R18 107V

curley 10.04.2017 16:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JagWaugh (Post 2770377)
How do you know the Contis have worn more? Perhaps the winter tires started with a deeper tread depth?

Perhaps? I bloody well hope so, no?

Treverus 10.04.2017 16:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 2770562)
Perhaps? I bloody well hope so, no?

Not necessarily. The OP has SUV tires... and some off-road summer tires have a lot of thread...

Phil_MCR 10.04.2017 17:02

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770368)
Anyway, I can't understand how my Contis are 2mm lower with less kms on it?

it is because they are:

- different tires
- of different types (summer/winter)
- and different brands
- driven at different times of the year
- at different speeds
- for different distances

remind me again why you would expect the wear to be the same?

papasmurf 10.04.2017 17:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hairybadger (Post 2770492)
Me too - WR D3 and now D4. The life I get out of them could be better (I replace them long before they get down to the winter wear indicators) but given the price I'm not complaining :)

I found the wear to be very good, especially as my car likes to wheel spin (lead foot)

I have the WR A4 which are fantastic in rain and very quiet.

maypril 10.04.2017 17:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil_MCR (Post 2770583)
it is because they are:

- different tires
- of different types (summer/winter)
- and different brands
- driven at different times of the year
- at different speeds
- for different distances

remind me again why you would expect the wear to be the same?

If your experience is different than mine, maybe you can share... I perfectly understand its a lot of factors.

Treverus 10.04.2017 17:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770595)
If your experience is different than mine, maybe you can share... I perfectly understand its a lot of factors.

Sure. I think Michelin is doing something wrong, because my rear tires only last half as long as my front tires...

maypril 10.04.2017 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770565)
Not necessarily. The OP has SUV tires... and some off-road summer tires have a lot of thread...

The Nokian winters I'm sure started at 8mm. The Conti summers, I'm NOT sure as I was not able to measure when it was 'new'. Is there a way to find out (website, tire label)?

maypril 10.04.2017 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770603)
Sure. I think Michelin is doing something wrong, because my rear tires only last half as long as my front tires...

Let's not go into that please... I'm just interested in wear-rate of summers vs. winters to keep it simple.

Patxi 10.04.2017 17:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maypril (Post 2770608)
Let's not go into that please... I'm just interested in wear-rate of summers vs. winters to keep it simple.

Anecdotal Evidence:

2008 VW T5 4-Motion.

I usually put the winters tires on in early-mid October and take them off in mid-May. Winter vs. Summer usage is nearly identical.

I am now on my 2nd set of Nokian winter tires and they'll probably last for another winter.

I am currently on my 3rd set of summer tires and they'll probably need to be replaced at the end of this summer. Incidentally, I am now using Nokian Line summer tires (previously had Dunlops) and the wear seems to be a bit better.

Conclusion: Winter tires wear less than summer tires.

Treverus 10.04.2017 22:05

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 2770613)
Conclusion: Winter tires wear less than summer tires.

Conclusion: ANY tire wears less in colder temperatures... ;)

NickGB 10.04.2017 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770733)
Conclusion: ANY tire wears less in colder temperatures... ;)

How so? Winter = less grip, hence more movement and more wear. Technically speaking.

NickGB 10.04.2017 22:25

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Oh, and while I'm on topic, after 40K my tyres on my X5 still have plenty of life. Great! Not so fast. They have become so noisy that I took the car to BMW who said it's a common problem (Something to do with the shoulders of the tyres. I didn't really understand) only solved by replacing the tyres. The fronts are worn more than the rears, but due to the X drive system all tyres need to be replaced! (Apparently!) Quote from BMW? CHF2,200. Wowzers! Got exactly the same tyres online for CHF1,200. Pirelli P Zeros, as opposed to the Dunlops currently on there. I'll let you know how I get on.

curley 10.04.2017 22:38

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I seem to remember putting the back tires to the front and vice versa (re wear). Is that not done anymore?

Treverus 10.04.2017 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 2770756)
I seem to remember putting the back tires to the front and vice versa (re wear). Is that not done anymore?

I have different sizes on front and rear. It would look pretty odd to do so to say the least...

NickGB 10.04.2017 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770763)
I have different sizes on front and rear. It would look pretty odd to do so to say the least...

Same here. The rears are wider (much) and lower. I guess it makes the car look like a hot rod?

curley 10.04.2017 22:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NickGB (Post 2770766)
Same here. The rears are wider (much) and lower. I guess it makes the car look like a hot rod?

But if the same size it's still done?

PS: wider tires in the back does not look silly?:rolleyes:

Treverus 10.04.2017 22:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NickGB (Post 2770741)
How so? Winter = less grip, hence more movement and more wear. Technically speaking.

http://i3.cpcache.com/product_zoom/5...dToSquare=true

Modern tires have of course matching harder rubber, but the principle still stays the same: Hot tarmac and rubber are not a combination for low wear. Not exactly a secret to anyone watching motorsports...

Treverus 10.04.2017 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 2770772)
wider tires in the back does not look silly?:rolleyes:

Nope. Most of the more powerful cars are build that way... you didn't know and clearly never recognized it so far.

You need wider tires at the back cause that's where all or as in my case at least most of the power is transmitted. in the front will narrower tires make it easier to steer.

maypril 11.04.2017 08:57

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2770733)
Conclusion: ANY tire wears less in colder temperatures... ;)

I agree... in this case, as to why my summer tires are wearing faster, I'll put the blame squarely on the hot tarmac, giving my driving a pass :cool:

st2lemans 11.04.2017 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by curley (Post 2770772)
But if the same size it's still done?

Yes.

Tom

Don Molina 11.04.2017 14:10

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Patxi (Post 2770613)
Anecdotal Evidence:

2008 VW T5 4-Motion.

I usually put the winters tires on in early-mid October and take them off in mid-May. Winter vs. Summer usage is nearly identical.

I am now on my 2nd set of Nokian winter tires and they'll probably last for another winter.

I am currently on my 3rd set of summer tires and they'll probably need to be replaced at the end of this summer. Incidentally, I am now using Nokian Line summer tires (previously had Dunlops) and the wear seems to be a bit better.

Conclusion: Winter tires wear less than summer tires.


Conclusion: YOUR winter tires wore less than YOUR summer tires, for the period YOU used them


FTFY

Patxi 11.04.2017 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Molina (Post 2771023)
Conclusion: YOUR winter tires wore less than YOUR summer tires, for the period YOU used them


FTFY

:wave:

Good for you! You learned a new word today: anecdotal.

Keep up the strong work.

k_and_e 11.04.2017 15:04

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
what about all-season tyres?

Treverus 11.04.2017 15:21

Re: Summer vs. Winter Tire Wear
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 2771049)
what about all-season tyres?

Not as good as winter tires in winter or summer tires in summer. Alright for places with mild winters and temperate summers, say England or the Netherlands. If you exclusively drive a Smart within your city limits probably ok in CH as well, but I'd never use them in Swiss winters for anything more.


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