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07.12.2018, 13:58
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | The equivalent would be a 100D in ModelS era, so I'm not so sure about that. Plus this is new.
It's still a massive depreciation on Tesla's from new. | | | | |
I don't see how it differs than any other vehicle, they all depreciate rapidly the second you leave the lot.
I bought a 2nd hand car originally 120k for a quarter of it's price, 3 years later with the usage/km of a car 12-18 months old
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07.12.2018, 17:43
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | I don't see how it differs than any other vehicle, they all depreciate rapidly the second you leave the lot.
I bought a 2nd hand car originally 120k for a quarter of it's price, 3 years later with the usage/km of a car 12-18 months old | | | | | not all vehicles are like that. For example 3rd-4th year Model S does not really depreciate any longer (especially with these Model3 prices), campers hardly depreciate, etc.
EV's have a much larger lifespan as the engine etc. is fairly simple.
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07.12.2018, 18:13
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | not all vehicles are like that. For example 3rd-4th year Model S does not really depreciate any longer (especially with these Model3 prices), campers hardly depreciate, etc.
EV's have a much larger lifespan as the engine etc. is fairly simple. | | | | | Batteries are the problem. Tesla give an 8 year guarantee. So after that unless there has been a battery revolution by then, the cost of replacement will make the car hard to sell....
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07.12.2018, 18:16
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3
To answer the OP‘s question. I pay CHF1700/for full everything and full discount on a Golf GTI performance. The Tesla 3 is faster and likely the same cost to repair, so I imagine the insurance would be about the same...
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07.12.2018, 18:43
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | To answer the OP‘s question. I pay CHF1700/for full everything and full discount on a Golf GTI performance. The Tesla 3 is faster and likely the same cost to repair, so I imagine the insurance would be about the same... | | | | | The reason that it is so much is that the Golf GTI is a typical boy racer. The Tesla 3 is probably considerably cheaper.
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07.12.2018, 19:08
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | The reason that it is so much is that the Golf GTI is a typical boy racer. The Tesla 3 is probably considerably cheaper. | | | | | Sadly not cheaper. The model 3 for Switzerland is highly speced and kicks in at about CHF60,000. GTI 40,000 (high spec)
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07.12.2018, 19:57
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | Sadly not cheaper. The model 3 for Switzerland is highly speced and kicks in at about CHF60,000. GTI 40,000 (high spec) | | | | | I just checked a new BMW 5 of 100k+ which was cheaper to insure than your Golf. 1700. CHF is quite high.
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08.12.2018, 18:52
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3
Modern cars have tons of sensors, cameras all over the place.
Bumpers are plastic, so they can't be buffed out and need full replacement, if you can't live with a dent or two.
That's why it's so expensive.
Also, re-doing the varnish on a modern car isn't cheap either - especially, if the varnish isn't plain-vanilla (which it often isn't in higher-end cars).
Because modern cars need to cramp more and more tech into the same or less space, they're really cramped.
Repairing anything often involves taking apart half the car, resulting in a huge bill (due to the labor).
As for a Tesla: repairing them is apparently not cheap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18MItauAgKo | 
09.12.2018, 09:50
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | To answer the OP‘s question. I pay CHF1700/for full everything and full discount on a Golf GTI performance. The Tesla 3 is faster and likely the same cost to repair, so I imagine the insurance would be about the same... | | | | | Oh look, another great EF camparison. Really...!!
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09.12.2018, 10:56
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | Oh look, another great EF camparison. Really...!! | | | | | OK when my Tesla 3 eventually arrives we‘ll see how far I was out...
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09.12.2018, 11:28
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | better compare it with a Tesla Model S as this is a similar, though more expensive car.
i checked for myself and premiums are actually relatively cheap. | | | | | If I remember right, I could not select a Tesla Model S on the Zurich Connect.
Now you can, | Quote: | |  | | | Oh look, another great EF camparison. Really...!! | | | | | See for your self what the premiums for a Model S are like and take it from there what it will be for the Model 3: https://www.zurich.ch/en/premium-cal.../motor-vehicle | 
09.12.2018, 13:14
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3
just saw sub-50k Model S-es on the 2nd hand market, some with new engine and battery pack even, albeit 150k+ on the clock.
This is a bit scary for 2 reasons:
- Model 3 start at 60k, reasonable (comparable) models are around 70k
- that Model S was 100k+ 4 years ago. The depreciation is a killer and the EV-savings are actually very minimal
I'm a bit disappointed.
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10.12.2018, 06:02
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | just saw sub-50k Model S-es on the 2nd hand market, some with new engine and battery pack even, albeit 150k+ on the clock.
This is a bit scary for 2 reasons:
- Model 3 start at 60k, reasonable (comparable) models are around 70k
- that Model S was 100k+ 4 years ago. The depreciation is a killer and the EV-savings are actually very minimal
I'm a bit disappointed. | | | | | Uh... huh. How many cars do you know that are with half of their purchase price 4 years and 150k km later??? If it’s anywhere close to 50k, it’s doing very well for a used car indeed, and is better than normal depreciation.
Quantify your “minimal” savings, please. Because I’m curious just what your rationale is.
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10.12.2018, 08:54
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3
Maybe the Basler police would be interested in buying one to reduce their costs. https://www.bzbasel.ch/basel/basel-s...-aus-133813743
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10.12.2018, 09:24
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | Uh... huh. How many cars do you know that are with half of their purchase price 4 years and 150k km later??? If it’s anywhere close to 50k, it’s doing very well for a used car indeed, and is better than normal depreciation.
Quantify your “minimal” savings, please. Because I’m curious just what your rationale is. | | | | | what he said, given the swiss's hate for vehicles over 100k km the mere fact dealers are stocking them is pretty amazing.
If its had new batteries that would have been under warranty so that makes it an even better deal.
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10.12.2018, 09:25
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | just saw sub-50k Model S-es on the 2nd hand market, some with new engine | | | | | Tesla's don't have engines, that's the whole point of them.
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10.12.2018, 10:01
| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | Tesla's don't have engines, that's the whole point of them. | | | | | Yes they do. An electric one, true but still an engine.
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10.12.2018, 10:03
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: |  | | | Yes they do. An electric one, true but still an engine. | | | | | no, they have an electric motor (or 2)
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10.12.2018, 10:08
| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: | |  | | | no, they have an electric motor (or 2) | | | | | Still an engine. | Quote: |  | | | A machine, especially one powered by electricity or internal combustion, that supplies motive power for a vehicle or for another device with moving parts. | | | | | https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/motor | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: Tax and insurance for Tesla model 3 | Quote: |  | | | | | | | | now post up all the other links that contradict that one |
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