Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:08
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 21,469
Groaned at 371 Times in 286 Posts
Thanked 16,274 Times in 9,239 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
You have it wrong the Qashqai is the 1st - 17th best cars in the world - and 78 of the best 100 cars in the world.

Indeed it is. But the OP can get a Duster if he wants. I'll let him.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:09
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,104
Groaned at 2,024 Times in 1,522 Posts
Thanked 34,652 Times in 16,458 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Wasn't there something posted here a little while back that Swiss residents who have a Swiss driver's licence can't drive EU registered cars in Switzerland? If so and the OP has changed their licence it's not possible.
No, it has nothing to do with licenses, just residency.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:15
3Wishes's Avatar
Moderately Amused
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Bern area
Posts: 10,673
Groaned at 77 Times in 74 Posts
Thanked 17,691 Times in 7,944 Posts
3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute3Wishes has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
...You know what they call it when you do follow standard procedure? Smuggling...
I hope you mean don't as opposed to do?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,503
Groaned at 323 Times in 264 Posts
Thanked 13,765 Times in 7,107 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
No, it has nothing to do with licenses, just residency.

Tom
OP wants that for only up to 3 months though, is there any loophole or something?
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:28
Medea Fleecestealer's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 21,469
Groaned at 371 Times in 286 Posts
Thanked 16,274 Times in 9,239 Posts
Medea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond reputeMedea Fleecestealer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
No, it has nothing to do with licenses, just residency.

Tom
In which case the OP can't do it, no matter how long or short the timescale is - true?
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:30
dodgyken's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Democratic Republic Kenistan
Posts: 10,690
Groaned at 281 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 19,403 Times in 7,402 Posts
dodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond reputedodgyken has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
OP wants that for only up to 3 months though, is there any loophole or something?
Yes
Bring in car for 8 days at a time on a different contract each time.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:37
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,002
Groaned at 385 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 18,811 Times in 10,137 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

I hired a CH rental car in GE today to drive to France. I have an EU license, the hire companies are no longer bothered & only had CH cars to rent. During the skis season many were DE registered for EU residents driving in France.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 16.05.2017, 15:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,503
Groaned at 323 Times in 264 Posts
Thanked 13,765 Times in 7,107 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Yes
Bring in car for 8 days at a time on a different contract each time.

Was thinking of something more along these lines


Quote:
It may be possible to get a longer period. That would mean the vehicle is very special or some other conditions apply. To further inquiry get in contact with customs: https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/de/home...rale-zoll.html
Guess OP will have to give it a try by asking them directly.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 16.05.2017, 16:48
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The World
Posts: 1,380
Groaned at 282 Times in 153 Posts
Thanked 1,115 Times in 636 Posts
Capo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthy
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Actually, the Italians fine up to 150% of the value of the car, the Swiss only 62% or so.

There was a famous case a few years ago where the mayor of Muralto lent her son her little shitbox to drive back to Italy (where he was studying), and the car got confiscated. They finally got it back after six months and a hefty fine.

Tom
Hum... I remember that there were many students in Milan using not only Swiss plates but also Monegasque and Ukranian.

Quote:
View Post
There's no particular thing against Dacia (particularly Dacia Duster), it's just an EF thing.

Now it's up to your preferences and budget, of course.
Yes there is:



Quote:
View Post
Does anyone know what the legal implications are for driving a car hired from Italy in Switzerland for long periods?

Found a few companies that will do car hire for 200-300euros per month (small cars like a panda), including insurance a maintenance costs...

Seems like a good option to rent a car for 3 months at a go and drive in Switzerland (at least cost wise)

How many passports do you have? If you have two, I would go to Italy and rent the car under the one you are not using as resident of CH, give your foreign address (eg.: your mother address), and use your foreign driving license. If you are stopped just say you are a tourist.

By the way, look at autoeurope.com (not europcar !!), they have some crazy prices from time to time both in France and Italy. I recently rented a Ford Focus for just 7.50 euro per day.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 16.05.2017, 16:53
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 12,231
Groaned at 93 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 18,680 Times in 8,287 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
How many passports do you have? If you have two, I would go to Italy and rent the car under the one you are not using as resident of CH, give your foreign address (eg.: your mother address), and use your foreign driving license. If you are stopped just say you are a tourist.
Better look up what RIPOL is and what it interfaces (SIS, ZEMIS, ADMAS etc.)
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank aSwissInTheUS for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 16.05.2017, 16:55
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,069
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 928 Times in 431 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Hum... I remember that there were many students in Milan using not only Swiss plates but also Monegasque and Ukranian.



Yes there is:






How many passports do you have? If you have two, I would go to Italy and rent the car under the one you are not using as resident of CH, give your foreign address (eg.: your mother address), and use your foreign driving license. If you are stopped just say you are a tourist.

By the way, look at autoeurope.com (not europcar !!), they have some crazy prices from time to time both in France and Italy. I recently rented a Ford Focus for just 7.50 euro per day.
AutoEurope is exactly where I saw the cars! Rented a car in Milan last weekend for 15CHF for three days, which is what spurned the idea...

As for passports; >2 passports (and >2 driving licenses, but not sure if they are valid. I know in the UK if you have a UK license, you MUST use that one). Also, from a tax perspective, I'm resident in at least two countries (as I spend sufficient time outside of Switzerland to be resident in the UK, have a house, source of income, etc)... so it's all a giant mess really Not keen on lying to the police though.

As for the video, I hear the duster has had ESP as an optional... no idea how effective it is on turns, but the tests on soft sand (it helps) seem pretty good:
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...t-1960007.html
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Spinal for this useful post:
  #32  
Old 16.05.2017, 17:10
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 9,503
Groaned at 323 Times in 264 Posts
Thanked 13,765 Times in 7,107 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Yes there is:

.
Yeah, as well as there's always something against many other cars for sure...but OP isn't exactly looking into buying it (and even so), most probably nor into renting the best existing car whatsoever.... why should he? I would say he's trying to save some money by the look of his problem.
Wish him good luck, though he should really ask the competent Swiss institutions. Lying to the police it's the silliest (let's put it that way but it's much more than that) thing he can do.

Last edited by greenmount; 16.05.2017 at 17:30.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #33  
Old 17.05.2017, 09:32
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,104
Groaned at 2,024 Times in 1,522 Posts
Thanked 34,652 Times in 16,458 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
In which case the OP can't do it, no matter how long or short the timescale is - true?
No, not true.

The 3-8 days applies, but it has to be declared, and you can only do it max 12x/year.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #34  
Old 17.05.2017, 09:34
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 29,104
Groaned at 2,024 Times in 1,522 Posts
Thanked 34,652 Times in 16,458 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Hum... I remember that there were many students in Milan using not only Swiss plates but also Monegasque and Ukranian.
Most students are not residents.

The key word is resident.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 17.05.2017, 10:39
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,069
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 928 Times in 431 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Most students are not residents.

The key word is resident.

Tom
I know this is kicking a can of worms or opening a hornets nest... but any idea what happens if you have multiple residencies? (before the EF-police scream, I'm not planning on renting a car anymore... going to test drive a duster... though I need to find somewhere to test it )
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 17.05.2017, 10:50
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 19,002
Groaned at 385 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 18,811 Times in 10,137 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
I know this is kicking a can of worms or opening a hornets nest... but any idea what happens if you have multiple residencies? (before the EF-police scream, I'm not planning on renting a car anymore... going to test drive a duster... though I need to find somewhere to test it )
The Swiss will only recognise your Swiss residence, if you have a residence permit.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #37  
Old 17.05.2017, 10:57
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,069
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 928 Times in 431 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
The Swiss will only recognise your Swiss residence, if you have a residence permit.
That makes sense, thanks. If only the taxes were that simple
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 17.05.2017, 11:27
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The World
Posts: 1,380
Groaned at 282 Times in 153 Posts
Thanked 1,115 Times in 636 Posts
Capo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthyCapo is considered unworthy
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Better look up what RIPOL is and what it interfaces (SIS, ZEMIS, ADMAS etc.)
Ok, let's say a dual citizen American/British called Robert Smith is stopped at the zoll. He shows all his american documents and says he is a tourist. How the Swiss would figure out he is a Swiss resident?
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 17.05.2017, 11:31
Spinal's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 1,069
Groaned at 9 Times in 8 Posts
Thanked 928 Times in 431 Posts
Spinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond reputeSpinal has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Rented car from Italy...

Quote:
View Post
Ok, let's say a dual citizen American/British called Robert Smith is stopped at the zoll. He shows all his american documents and says he is a tourist. How the Swiss would figure out he is a Swiss resident?
I'm guessing that when you register for your B permit, that gets stored in a database.... purely a guess though.

They then look up his passport number in said database...

EDIT: wait, you said dual citizen. No idea then. Probably a gap.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Importing car from Italy CorsebouTheReturn Transportation/driving 39 15.12.2015 19:04
import a newly bought 2nd hand car from Italy Jvi Transportation/driving 23 12.04.2015 16:59
Help needed: anyone in Italy or coming from Italy cherry123 Travel/day trips/free time 1 03.10.2014 15:32
L residence permit and car from Italy Lorenberg Transportation/driving 0 19.03.2014 16:41
shipping car from switzerland to italy starmir Transportation/driving 6 13.01.2014 17:26


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 04:29.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0