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Highway driving

I did some driving this weekend.
Went from Zurich to Milan and back.

I was driving on the highway
In the left lane there were, something like 98% of all the traffic
Only about 2% of drivers are in the right lane.
The left lane is driving at about 80km/hr - due to the massive amount of traffic, frequently slowing down and break lights.....

I was 1st in the left lane with the massive amount of drivers.
I then moved into the right lane and consistently drove at 100km/hr -- passing all the cars in the left lane.

The speed limit was 120km/hr -- so I wasn't exceeding the speed limit

Tell me what I'm doing wrong here - or are they doing something wrong....
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I did some driving this weekend.
Went from Zurich to Milan and back.

I was driving on the highway
In the left lane there were, something like 98% of all the traffic
Only about 2% of drivers are in the right lane.
The left lane is driving at about 80km/hr - due to the massive amount of traffic, frequently slowing down and break lights.....

I was 1st in the left lane with the massive amount of drivers.
I then moved into the right lane and consistently drove at 100km/hr -- passing all the cars in the left lane.

The speed limit was 120km/hr -- so I wasn't exceeding the speed limit

Tell me what I'm doing wrong here - or are they doing something wrong....
You are overpassing from the right, which is forbidden
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Re: Highway driving

Thank you for this information.
1 questions though, why does everyone go in the left lane when the right is empty?
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1 questions though, why does everyone go in the left lane when the right is empty?
They are Swiss.
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Re: Highway driving

It's legal to pass a jam from the right, federal court verdict:
https://www.beobachter.ch/staat/stra...-jetzt-erlaubt
https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/auf-der-r...ahn-1.18713515
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Re: Highway driving

I doubt this week even half of the drivers were swiss on the highways. Also northern europeans sometimes drive all night to reach italy and they sleep at the wheel.
Anyway if you flash them they usually get out of the way.
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They are Swiss.
Nothing to do with that as they do exactly the same on UK motorways. Simple laziness and the mentality of "Oh I can see a car on the inside lane up ahead that I'll have to overtake so I'll just stay out here." It's even worst there because you have people hogging the middle lane of 3 so you either have to undertake them (not allowed) or go right out to the third lane to do it correctly.
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They are Swiss.
They are drivers. This happens in other countries as well.

In such situations, I get into the right hand lane and match my speed to be approximately the same as the left hand lane. Generally speaking, if you get into the right hand lane at the first sign of congestion, you'll make better progress than hogging the left hand lane in the hope that somehow you'll get past the truck a km up the road more quickly. I've never had a problem getting back into the left hand lane when I finally reach the truck and need to overtake. After overtaking of course I get back into the right hand lane as soon as practical.

You'll find that driving in this way makes it easier to keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front, and overall a more relaxed driving experience. It also won't significantly impact your journey time.
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They are Swiss.
No they are clearly foreigners. Swiss will only the drive in the passing lane to pass other cars.


Regarding passing in the right it is one of the big No-No, which you should only do with good reason or you may risk your license

The following reasons are O.K:
- Your lane has another destination then the lane next to you. But not already at the split arrow sign.
- Because of a solid line cars from the other lane are not allowed to join your lane (a long slip way, like Dietikon, Spreitenbach, and Baden for ex.)
- Heavy traffic moving in parallel lines. This one is up to debate when it is legal and when it is still forbidden.

The case as described by OP may be ruled as illegal and "dangerous "

Many federal court rulings on this topic.

Most recent is BGE 6B_374/2015
http://relevancy.bger.ch/php/aza/htt...16-6B_374-2015
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Tell me what I'm doing wrong here - or are they doing something wrong....
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It's legal to pass a jam from the right, federal court verdict:
Yes and no. Probably forbidden still in this case.

The federal court ruling (BGE 142 IV 93) requires "Kolonnenverkehr" (lines of cars) on both lanes (all, respectively). This is characterised by "reger Verkehr", lively traffic.

A single car on the right lane does not satisfy that condition, neither a couple.


ETA:
I originally missed the fact that OP must have accelerated by 20km/h after switching to the right. Since that made him clearly faster than the left lane the ruling doesn't apply. As a consequence, I think it was clearly illegal.

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Old 29.05.2017, 09:20
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Yes and no. Probably forbidden still in this case.

The federal court ruling (BGE 142 IV 93) requires "Kolonnenverkehr" (lines of cars) on both lanes (all, respectively). This is characterised by "reger Verkehr", lively traffic.

A single car on the right lane does not satisfy that condition, neither a couple.
Rerad the more recent BGE 6B_374/2015 which relaxed the conditions a bit.
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They are Swiss.


Irony is that most are not likely to be Suisse but rather non-Suisse


I do think something needs to be done about the number of drivers passing from the right or merely parking in the left lane but I see no easy solution
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Re: Highway driving

WOW - thanks everyone for the info.

I felt it was REALLY odd that the right lane was so empty and the left lane was so very full.

I felt, while on my trip & in traffic, that much of the traffic could have been smoothed out if we drivers used both lanes.

And trust me, I wasn't trying to speed past traffic in the right lane... I just didn't want a perfectly good lane go to waste --- I mean, seriously - the right lane was EMPTY.
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And trust me, I wasn't trying to speed past traffic in the right lane... I just didn't want a perfectly good lane go to waste --- I mean, seriously - the right lane was EMPTY.
This is the problem with the "No passing on the right" rule - above a certain traffic density it effectively turns every highway into a single lane road.

The advantage of the rule? "You don't need to check your blind spot when moving right"...

Although I _don't_ pass on the right, I think it's about time that the law was dropped - it is from a bygone era.
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The advantage of the rule? "You don't need to check your blind spot when moving right"...
That is the weird thing about this autobahn rule. It is forbidden because it is dangerous. But it is only dangerous because it is forbidden. Considering it is and was always allowed inside city limits the rule should be abolished.
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Re: Highway driving

Outside lane hoggers do my head in, but it's not just a Swiss problem.
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Re: Highway driving

There ought to be worldwide laws that prohibit shooting video footage in portray mode unless it's a rocket launch, a X-mas tree, a flagpole, one person (two at the very most) standing in front of a boring backdrop etc..
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The advantage of the rule? "You don't need to check your blind spot when moving right"...
But of course! The driver on the left lane who wants to change to the right lane has to make sure his manoeuvre is safe so s/he MUST check to ensure there's no one on the right.

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Rerad the more recent BGE 6B_374/2015 which relaxed the conditions a bit.
What's the difference? This ruling describes the situation as:
Dense traffic on the middle and left lane but only "reger Verkehr" on the righmost lane. No car immediately in front of the complainant(?) but the verdict says nothing about (lack of) cars following behind. Yet there must have been some cars on the rightmost lane otherwise "lively traffic" wouldn't apply.
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What's the difference?
None It is the very same court rulling Just a different number.
Thought yours was from 1993. Sorry.
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But of course! The driver on the left lane who wants to change to the right lane has to make sure his manoeuvre is safe so s/he MUST check to ensure there's no one on the right.
I should have put quotes around "advantage", and used a couple of smilies to indicate sarcasm.

I don't believe there is an advantage to the law/rule, but have had various people "explain" it to me as above. In most cases these were older gentlemen doing their best to educate a boorisch American.

Perhaps the reason I never accepted their justification is that I am neither boorish, nor an American. I also check my blindspot and mirrors while driving, regardless of the local law or convention.
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