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Hi, Can anyone recommend a garage in Basel or Germany that can replace the air con gas in our car please? Thank you all so much in advance.
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Hi, Can anyone recommend a garage in Basel or Germany that can replace the air con gas in our car please? Thank you all so much in advance.

Go to any garage, it's really not a complicated matter
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Re: Car Air Con

You could try Gerber Automobile, Wasgenring 57, 4055 Basel.
+41 61 383 83 83

They speak English, prices are reasonable, and trustworthy in my experience.

Most places advertise a fixed price for recharging the aircon.
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Thats Great! thank you so much for your help.
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Thank you.
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If you've been skimping on service then they may also want to change the cabin air filters and clean out the heat exchanger core. Usually not a bad idea, if the car is older than about 4 years. Sometimes there's only a minor issue with the gas level but the rest of the system is so clogged up that there is almost no heat transfer.

Also, if you have A/C but usually leave it off, try to run it about once a week for 15 minutes or so during the summer. Amongst other things you will notice if the system needs attention a bit sooner than a couple of days before you set off for the family vacation to Sardina.
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you can buy a do it yourself, it only required you to connect one tube and turn on the gas. They sell for under 50 https://www.amazon.com/ACP-100-Profe.../dp/B007USCM7E

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you can buy a do it yourself, it only required you to connect one tube and turn on the gas. They sell for under 50 https://www.amazon.com/ACP-100-Profe.../dp/B007USCM7E

I think if she felt the need to ask such a question, DIY aircon is a step too far, probably a whole walk and a flight of stairs too far....
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I think if she felt the need to ask such a question, DIY aircon is a step too far, probably a whole walk and a flight of stairs too far....
Not to mention the fact that the 50$ is a complete waste if the system needs anything other than _just_ a recharge, and even then.... to do it properly you need to vacuum the system, add oil (an exact amount) then Freon (also an exact amount). And given the fact that a Klimaservice can be done for about 80 CHF here in Zurich, and for that you get the system checked over, vacuumed, the right amount of the correct Freon, and the right amount of the correct oil...

But hey, if he's convinced that youtube and amazon make him an A/C specialist... no sweat. Or perhaps lots of sweat, as the case may be.
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a clima service that requires anything more than just gas will cost much more. The kits include gas oil and sealant for small leaks. Usually shops in switzerland will rip you off for a few hundred.
80 to open the door and look at it
150 for freon gas
200 for labor and software update )
= a lot of money because swiss have a different standard of living
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a clima service that requires anything more than just gas will cost much more. The kits include gas oil and sealant for small leaks. Usually shops in switzerland will rip you off for a few hundred.
80 to open the door and look at it
150 for freon gas
200 for labor and software update )
= a lot of money because swiss have a different standard of living
Your kit will work with a system which only needs gas... if your A/C needs anything else then you've just wasted 50, and you'll need to either buy parts, tools, and another kit, or go to a professional and get them to fix it.

The place I go to charges his regular customers 80CHF for a vacuum, leak check, and recharge, and that includes oil and gas AND opening the door to verify that it's actually blowing cold. If there is a problem, and it's a new customer (or a cheapskate) then he'll call the and explain what might be wrong and verify with them that he should investigate further.

But if you're convinced that they're all nothing but a bunch of thieves then obviously one of us knows more than the other.

A bill isn't excessive just because it has digits other than "0".

And... thanks for the groan. I'll probably have forgotten about it by the time you happen to ask some question about how to do something on your car.
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diagnosing A/C problems is very easy: If the ac is cool but not cold than the 30$ kit is perfect. If the AC is blowing hot air than it might have a broken pipe that needs replacing and you can look at the silver pipes around the engine and take note of any areas that look like oil has leaked out. The ac system contains a fair amount of oil and you will notice the leak very easily.

Small leaks will be fixed with the 30chf kit because it contains sealant. Larger leaks or broken pipes will need replacing.

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If the ac is cool but not cold than the 30$ kit is perfect. If the AC is blowing hot air than it might have a broken pipe that needs replacing
Now you're adding "If" s into your original position. Sort of like I did in my initial response to Today only who pointed out that your suggestion might not be what the OP asked for, or was capable of.

It's possible to do a lot of things yourself, if you're so inclined, and capable. Not everyone is so inclined, and few are as capable as they think they are.

In the past I've cast my own brake disks, made a complete exhaust system (including mufflers and resonators) out of stainless tubing and flat sheet, and maintain my own (and other people's) cars, making parts from scratch when suitable original parts aren't available. Although I know a fair bit about cars, I don't know everything about them (5 Nut and bolt restorations only give one a certain level of experience).

What I do know that any "solution" offered on an internet forum which consists of "Buy this cheap thingie" and absolutely zero effort to figure out what the actual fault is, or the skill level of the asker, doesn't indicate that the person supplying that "solution" knows a great deal about cars, or people.

Your move.

EDIT: And the Amazon item you posted the URL for says quite clearly "This item does not ship to Switzerland. Please check other sellers who may ship internationally" so even if by blind chance your solution would be what the OP's car needs, and she were inclined to do it herself... it still isn't much help to her.
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dude relax!
I am a certified AC technician.
There is a reason why these quick repair and maintenance kits were created, Most A/C issues are simply a matter or adding some refrigerant/oil/sealant.
If the person was not looking for a cheap easy solution they would have simply taken the car to the first garage that comes to mind but a swiss garage will charge you at least 200, and thats on the low end.

These kits have been on the market for more than 10 years. American inginuity at its finest.

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dude relax!
I am a certified AC technician.
There is a reason why these quick repair and maintenance kits were created, Most A/C issues are simply a matter or adding some refrigerant/oil/sealant.
If the person was not looking for a cheap easy solution they would have simply taken the car to the first garage that comes to mind but a swiss garage will charge you at least 200, and thats on the low end.

These kits have been on the market for more than 10 years. American inginuity at its finest.
I am perfectly relaxed.

If you are a certified tech, why didn't you ask anything whatsoever about why the OP felt she needed a Klimaservice.

You didn't even qualify your suggestion with "Chances are"...

No, I'll say it again, 80 CHFs, all in. Even for very large values of 80, 80 is still not 200.

And the kits have been on the market for a LOT longer than 10 years. I started using them in the late '70s/early '80s. Now I have access to the proper equipment, so I can do dye checks etc. I don't work much on modern cars, but I don't think I've ever run across a requirement to do a software upgrade after a simple Klimaservice (Or a mech. who would charge for one).

I can be relaxed and still recognize when people are talking through their hat.
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It used to be nice and cool, but recently one of my favourite forums has started blowing hot air. Any advice? Ideally, something cheap from Alibaba or something.
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It used to be nice and cool, but recently one of my favourite forums has started blowing hot air. Any advice? Ideally, something cheap from Alibaba or something.
Just the thing for you, a Peltier mousepad: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10080

It's a bit small, so you'd have to tweak the ballistic settings... perhaps if you glued it to the top of the mouse.
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Just the thing for you, a Peltier mousepad: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10080

It's a bit small, so you'd have to tweak the ballistic settings... perhaps if you glued it to the top of the mouse.
Peltiers are fun to play with, but have two problems in this situation: water condenses very quickly on the cool side, and you have to shift the boatloads of heat on the other side.
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Peltiers are fun to play with, but have two problems in this situation: water condenses very quickly on the cool side, and you have to shift the boatloads of heat on the other side.
@Adrian: you'll need to order a water cooled mouse with that, or possibly one made of Al with a built in fan, but otherwise, the idea is sound. And a bar of watchmaker's soap (to stop your hand from perspiring... more).
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@Adrian: you'll need to order a water cooled mouse with that, or possibly one made of Al with a built in fan, but otherwise, the idea is sound. And a bar of watchmaker's soap (to stop your hand from perspiring... more).
You could maybe use it in an air-conditioned room (or even put it in a fridge) to cut down on the environmental water vapour; that would help with the heat output too...
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