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Old 22.06.2017, 21:06
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Old 22.06.2017, 21:08
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Ha. And what is the fine for that? I'm on a roll this week.
1 year and ca. CHF 2K to 5K penalties and admin fee, depending on your income.
Also, note thar if you'll be caught with serious speeding again in the next 2 years, the suspension and fee may be higher, too.
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Old 22.06.2017, 21:30
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How often do you pass there?! Nobody is endangered there by going faster, this blitzer is a pure money-making machine (a lucrative one too).
One is already going parallel to the highway and feels as if on the entering track = having to speed up.

Yep, OP is in the wrong, will pay the bill (and was wondering how high it would be).
In the mean time, take care not to brake your moral finger.
curley, still there is a speed limit there, like it or not. Ignoring speed limits, talking on the phone while driving, etc. is disregard for other people's safety, just disregard for other people point blank. This is my opinion on the matter. Let's leave it at that.

I will definitely not "brake" anything, not today.
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Old 22.06.2017, 21:51
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curley, still there is a speed limit there, like it or not. Ignoring speed limits, talking on the phone while driving, etc. is disregard for other people's safety, just disregard for other people point blank. This is my opinion on the matter. Let's leave it at that.

I will definitely not "brake" anything, not today.
Yeah, a typo. I'll go to the shame corner in a minute. How long do you want me to stay there?

Did you notice the terribly criminal newby thought of covering her name and personal details?

OMG, am I getting involved in a catfight? I'll go to that corner now .... don't bother answering, no wlan in that corner.
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Old 22.06.2017, 22:14
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Yeah, a typo. I'll go to the shame corner in a minute. How long do you want me to stay there?

Did you notice the terribly criminal newby thought of covering her name and personal details?

OMG, am I getting involved in a catfight? I'll go to that corner now .... don't bother answering, no wlan in that corner.
curley, this is my opinion on the matter, period. You have a different opinion.

I said the OP was reckless, not criminal.

I am not sure how me posting that screenshot belongs in this thread.
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Old 23.06.2017, 11:38
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1 year and ca. CHF 2K to 5K penalties and admin fee, depending on your income.
Also, note thar if you'll be caught with serious speeding again in the next 2 years, the suspension and fee may be higher, too.
Actually it's up to three years prison (unlikely to be used unless it was reckless driving or an accident caused) and a fine of up to 360 "Tagessätze", your average daily income. Plus of course administrative measures, ie an extension of the driving ban.

And yes, two years probation.
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Surrender my license? As in physically give it up? It's a US license. I'm sure that won't work in my favor. As long as I can choose....September looks slow.
The way I understand it, a foreign license can't be physically withdrawn as it's a foreign authority's piece of paper/plastic so you will "merely" be forbidden to drive on Swiss roads. It would indeed be withdrawn if it was a Swiss license, which you must have it converted to within twelve months of registering (allow for the process to take some time so don't wait till the last minute).

But (typically) you won't get to chose when the ban is effective. The idea behind the sanctions is for them to hurt, letting you chose would counter that.
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Haven't had a ticket in 17 years, so I'm just pouting.
Looks like you're speedily making up for that

In construction zones the speed is usually lowered, so "innerorts" it would probably be lower than 60km/h (unless they're doing minor work). With that said, if it was one indeed there usually are workers on the road so the probability of causing an accident by speeding is significantly increased. That may mean increased sanctions - just my hunch.
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Old 23.06.2017, 11:52
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Re: Ok, how bad is it?

When you look at or know the location of the infringement it easy to see how it can happen quite and easily and why the police set up a trap there.

The police aren't completely stupid - they know where best to make money!
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Old 23.06.2017, 12:13
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The way I understand it, a foreign license can't be physically withdrawn as it's a foreign authority's piece of paper/plastic so you will "merely" be forbidden to drive on Swiss roads.
Read Art. 45 Abs. 4 VZV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a45

The foreign driving licences will put on hold and has to be deposited with the authorities for the duration of the ban. You get it back at the end of the ban or when you leave Switzerland for good.
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Old 23.06.2017, 12:44
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Read Art. 45 Abs. 4 VZV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a45

The foreign driving licences will put on hold and has to be deposited with the authorities for the duration of the ban. You get it back at the end of the ban or when you leave Switzerland for good.
To me it says exactly what I wrote.

"Aberkennung" (the foreign license) says nothing about who has the license in his/her hands, it merely means the previously granted authorisiation to drive on Swiss roads is suspended (withdrawn altogether, where applicable). Contrarily, the Swiss license gets "entzogen" which means handing it over to the authorities. Additionally, the distinction between "Aberkennung" and "Entzug" clearly shows different procedures (though to the same effect) so the lacking of implied change of ownership is intentional, ie what actually happens.
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Old 23.06.2017, 12:55
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Re: Ok, how bad is it?

Uhm, so yesterday most people were like oh, that dude that got convicted for negligent homicide despite going 20 below the speed limit, that's really his fault, he should have driven muuuuch more slowly so as to be able to stop in time for that person that just lies there on the Autobahn, cause that is a perfectly normal event all drivers should be prepared for any time.

But today it's like, oh, two dozen km too fast, well that's not so bad, I mean it is really okay cause everyone would have driven too fast there, poor you, unfairly punished by the law.




Guess you are lucky there was no suicidal person in the middle of the road.

Will cost you about 800-1000, possibly more, and at least 1 month of revoked licence. Better be careful that it doesn't happen again, then it will get REALLY costly.
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The actual limit is irrelevant here, it was there, why, who knows, but it was their and providingh it was indicated properly it's enforcable
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Old 23.06.2017, 13:30
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It's hot today, eih?
If I understood what you wrote correctly I agree. As I said earlier, in such cases I just payed and chalked it up to experience (and it worked, have not had one in ages - touch wood).
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To me it says exactly what I wrote.

"Aberkennung" (the foreign license) says nothing about who has the license in his/her hands, it merely means the previously granted authorisiation to drive on Swiss roads is suspended (withdrawn altogether, where applicable). Contrarily, the Swiss license gets "entzogen" which means handing it over to the authorities. Additionally, the distinction between "Aberkennung" and "Entzug" clearly shows different procedures (though to the same effect) so the lacking of implied change of ownership is intentional, ie what actually happens.
Abs. 1 defines that "aberkennung" can be used for foreign licenses when a Swiss licences would be "entzogen".
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Abs. 4 says that a "aberkannte" license must be deposited with the authorities.
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How often do you pass there?! Nobody is endangered there by going faster, this blitzer is a pure money-making machine (a lucrative one too).
One is already going parallel to the highway and feels as if on the entering track = having to speed up.

Yep, OP is in the wrong, will pay the bill (and was wondering how high it would be).
In the mean time, take care not to break your moral finger.
I pass this almost every day. The blitzer is right where people merge left from the bau and hobby to get on the A1 and merge right to either go into Kempthal or up the hill. It is a site of frequently confused drivers. If you get past the merge point, there is plenty of time to speed up, although another huge frustration is people getting onto the A1 doing 80.

Going the other way, you're going 80, then drop to 60 (another blitzer) for a few hundred meters past a big building and intersection and then back to 80 to get off/on A1 and into Winti.

Hope those guys are making money from this crap!
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Re: Ok, how bad is it?

Why do threads on this forum go:

1. Question?
2. Your fault
3. Shame on you!
4. Shame!
5. I would never do that!!
6. Answer
7. How could you say that?
8. What's wrong with you?
9. Imagine if someone died.
10. This is the Swiss way, deal with it.
11-99. <totally off topic, debating the ethical and moral implications of something vaguely related... with a good deal of flaming and trolling>
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Old 23.06.2017, 14:08
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Why do threads on this forum go:

1. Question?
2. Your fault
3. Shame on you!
4. Shame!
5. I would never do that!!
6. Answer
7. How could you say that?
8. What's wrong with you?
9. Imagine if someone died.
10. This is the Swiss way, deal with it.
11-99. <totally off topic, debating the ethical and moral implications of something vaguely related... with a good deal of flaming and trolling>
And this was point 99...
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My first 3 weeks of German class didn't cover "we saw what you did and we're coming for you."

I don't see a number, so I assume it's more than a fine. Should I run for the border?

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Abs. 4 says that a "aberkannte" license must be deposited with the authorities.
Oh, indeed. I stand corrected.
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I pass this almost every day. The blitzer is right where people merge left from the bau and hobby to get on the A1 and merge right to either go into Kempthal or up the hill. It is a site of frequently confused drivers. If you get past the merge point, there is plenty of time to speed up, although another huge frustration is people getting onto the A1 doing 80.

Going the other way, you're going 80, then drop to 60 (another blitzer) for a few hundred meters past a big building and intersection and then back to 80 to get off/on A1 and into Winti.

Hope those guys are making money from this crap!
So doesn't it make sense to ensure people stay within the speed limit in order to reduce the frequency of accidents? There appears to be enough commotion as things are already.
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So doesn't it make sense to ensure people stay within the speed limit in order to reduce the frequency of accidents? There appears to be enough commotion as things are already.
Yes, it does make sense. I think there is enough room after the blitzer to speed up again.
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