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The problem is: I do not know any Swiss law which forbids the incorrect one. Also Swiss law does not mandate that foreign cars need a sticker (The Federal Council explicitly said it is not an issue.)

Neither Art. 97 and 99 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a97, nor Art. 143 VZV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a143 is suitable to hand out a fine. non suprisengly neither any thing from the OBV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#app1

Oh.. I see, I found it:

Art. 45 Abs 3 VTS https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a45

then
and then Art. 219 VTS https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a219

and finally Art. 93 Abs. 2 SVG


Issue. As Art. 45 Abs. 3 VTS is not mentioned in the OBV, it will go to a judge == high fine plus stupid court fees
Does that mean my memory is approved?
I was getting worried you will make me find that police-man to discuss it with him in person (the guy is probably on pension by now).
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

I no longer understand the system back home...apparently now they place numbers to show which region they are from (probably à la française method). I hear people say "oh they're from bla bla because they have a 95 plate (number made up), I'm like "ah right you are then". In my day all you could tell was the year of the car...oh he's got a "P" regy...or a "T" regy. "how old's the car?" "It's an "M" regy"
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I no longer understand the system back home...apparently now they place numbers to show which region they are from (probably à la française method). I hear people say "oh they're from bla bla because they have a 95 plate (number made up), I'm like "ah right you are then". In my day all you could tell was the year of the car...oh he's got a "P" regy...or a "T" regy. "how old's the car?" "It's an "M" regy"
I guess you're a Brit.

The first two characters indicate the area the car was registered, but that might not indicate where the car lives if the owner moved or changed (or registered in another area (e.g. for a vanity plate)).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicl...United_Kingdom

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Re: CH sticker on back of car

Actually the last two letters of the three letters have always shown the place the uk car comes from. Since the early 1900s when plates first were issued.
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

The caveat being that the plate stays on the car when it's sold so you only where it was new. And that you can buy any plate you like on the secondary market.
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The caveat being that the plate stays on the car when it's sold so you only where it was new. And that you can buy any plate you like on the secondary market.
That always intrigued me in England. Isn't that a bit like wearing the serial number on the outside? And how do I know whether it's insured? I don't, right?
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

I don't get the serial number bit.

I actually love the fact there is such a flourishing secondary market in the uk. And the format of the numbers is never anouomous (Italy) or ugly (Germany).

Insurance - these days you can check it online. It's relatively hard to not be insured and not be caught quickly. For a start they fine you right away. And ANPR is everywhere and in every police car.

However I do like the German system where a car is guaranteed to be insured as the previous insurer bares responsibility forever. Much safer knowing you can never have an accident with an uninsured driver (unless they are non German that is).
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Actually the last two letters of the three letters have always shown the place the uk car comes from. Since the early 1900s when plates first were issued.
right then, never heard that and I don't doubt you but would like to test this. Here are 3 old régies of our family, tell me where they are from..
PTU44C...DLM952t...R652KHU


oooh, I'm all excited!
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However I do like the German system where a car is guaranteed to be insured as the previous insurer bares responsibility forever. Much safer knowing you can never have an accident with an uninsured driver (unless they are non German that is).
Interesting, still uninsured cars driving around in Germany that do belong to Germans. You need to show insurance to get the papers transfered but it does not mean the previous insurer is always liable
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

QUOTE: I no longer understand the system back home...apparently now they place numbers to show which region they are from (probably à la française method). I hear people say "oh they're from bla bla because they have a 95 plate (number made up), I'm like "ah right you are then". In my day all you could tell was the year of the car...oh he's got a "P" regy...or a "T" regy. "how old's the car?" "It's an "M" regy"


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I guess you're a Brit.
wow...no shit Sherlock...must have been hard to figure that one out
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

Likewise the only person who says 'a brit' is american
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Interesting, still uninsured cars driving around in Germany that do belong to Germans. You need to show insurance to get the papers transfered but it does not mean the previous insurer is always liable
Yes it does. Even a German car with no insurance is still covered by the last insurer who insured it.
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Yes it does. Even a German car with no insurance is still covered by the last insurer who insured it.
That sounds weird. Can you link some law-articles to this? Thanks.
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right then, never heard that and I don't doubt you but would like to test this. Here are 3 old régies of our family, tell me where they are from..
PTU44C...DLM952t...R652KHU


oooh, I'm all excited!
TU = Originally registered in Chester
LM = London (North West)
HU = Bristol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicl...United_Kingdom
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That sounds weird. Can you link some law-articles to this? Thanks.
http://www.kfz-versicherungen.cc/rat...z-verkauf.html

But only related to the sales process. As soon as the new owner has a new insurance, the old one is invalidated.

And if the car is sold as "Stillegung" (cancelled?), people can still buy it and drive it so the principle is correct, unfortunately it still happens that people do drive cars without insurance.
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Re: CH sticker on back of car

Don't forget the alcohol test kit.

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Forget about the test kit. Explicitly no fine, if you do not have one.
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http://www.kfz-versicherungen.cc/rat...z-verkauf.html

But only related to the sales process. As soon as the new owner has a new insurance, the old one is invalidated.

And if the car is sold as "Stillegung" (cancelled?), people can still buy it and drive it so the principle is correct, unfortunately it still happens that people do drive cars without insurance.
Thanks roegner.
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Right. Forgot about that. So if I want to go buy crumpets in France I have to buy this alcohol test kit first.

Seriously, life has become so darn complicated, I think I'm reaching the stage where one starts talking about "the good ol' days"
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I don't get the serial number bit.

I actually love the fact there is such a flourishing secondary market in the uk. And the format of the numbers is never anouomous (Italy) or ugly (Germany).

Insurance - these days you can check it online. It's relatively hard to not be insured and not be caught quickly. For a start they fine you right away. And ANPR is everywhere and in every police car.

However I do like the German system where a car is guaranteed to be insured as the previous insurer bares responsibility forever. Much safer knowing you can never have an accident with an uninsured driver (unless they are non German that is).
on a slight aside, the good thing with the car regy belonging to the vehicle and not the owner, and because as you say there is such a huge 2nd hand car market, a potential buyer is able to go on various websites in the UK and find out if the vehicle has ever been in an accident, as often a seller will never mention this fact, this has also often resulted in finding cars that were once written off but have found themselves back on the market.


I have never looked here so do not know if such a service exists.
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Thanks roegner.
This seems crazy to me.


Right. Forgot about that. So if I want to go buy crumpets in France I have to buy this alcohol test kit first.

Seriously, life has become so darn complicated, I think I'm reaching the stage where one starts talking about "the good ol' days"
As of January 2013 the French government announced that the introduction of an €11 fine for not carrying one has been postponed indefinitely.

And anyway, why would you go and buy crumpets in France? They are a British invention...
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