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Old 06.07.2017, 23:32
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

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Of course it does.

Ticino is one of the largest cantons, both in terms of area and population.

(as I recall, #5 for area, and #8 for population, out of 26)

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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

Summarising: if you really want this LHD car, you would have to import it into your country of residence, on a trailer.

You cannot drive it anywhere until it is legally registered, insured, taxed & road worthy. Until you actually live here, you will most likely not get Swiss number plates.

The LHD cars for sale in the UK do have attractive prices don't they?
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

In addition to the trailer I am considering travelling to Switzerland and applying for export plates in Valais. If somebody knows the needed set of documents please let me know. I presume I will need to bring the stamped grey reg document and the plates.

Actually the prices of the used LHD cars are higher than the RHD cars. It seems people feel more comfortable to buy locally in UK and then bring the car to France, Spain, Italy. I have been looking for some time and this has been the first Swiss registered car that I have encountered.
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

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Exactly...and that's where the stink comes from. Probably on hire purchase / lease and the owner done a bunk.
Rubish, if the grey card has been cancelled by the proper authorities, they check that the car can legally be sold before cancelling grey card.....

It's very easy to check on European basis who actually owns the car and has legal right to sell it.

If the plates are still in circulation, then somebody is paying for them or they've been stolen.

Which authority stamped the "grey card" ?
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

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It's very easy to check on European basis who actually owns the car and has legal right to sell it.
How? At least in Switzerland and also in Germany this is not easy, if not impossible. Who ever is listed in the papers is just the holder which is responsible, for tax, insurance and roadworthyness. Rightful owner could be any other person and is nowhere registered.

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In addition to the trailer I am considering travelling to Switzerland and applying for export plates in Valais. If somebody knows the needed set of documents please let me know. I presume I will need to bring the stamped grey reg document and the plates.
Grey card, driving license, passport, money (cash).
Some cantons also request: Proof of residence in canton, a PoA if the gray card is not in there name, a certificate of roadworthy if the last control was done more than 2 years ago.

You can get the export plates in person at any Strassenverkehrsamt http://www.strassenverkehrsaemter.ch

In Canton Basel Land seems to be easy: https://www.baselland.ch/politik-und...childer/export
The office is Ergolzstrasse 1, 4414 Füllinsdorf. It is 20 to 30 minutes from the Basel Airport.

You can sent the Valais plates to:
Service de la circulation routière et de la navigation (SCN)
Avenue de France 71
Case postale 1247
1951 Sion

Export plates are valid till the end of the month. If the month has less than 4 days left they are valid for the subsequent month. You can get export plates only once per car.
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

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if the grey card has been cancelled by the proper authorities, they check that the car can legally be sold before cancelling grey card.....
Rubbish.

The card doen't need to be cancelled for the vehicle to be sold.

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Good question.

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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

I'd call the "Strassenverkehrsamt" and ask about the grey card and how the plates are still on that car. If anything is fishy, they should know and if anything is outright illegal, you might be able to get your deposit back.
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I'd call the "Strassenverkehrsamt" and ask about the grey card and how the plates are still on that car. If anything is fishy, they should know and if anything is outright illegal, you might be able to get your deposit back.
Alas, they most likely don't speak English.

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In addition to the trailer I am considering travelling to Switzerland and applying for export plates in Valais.
As a non-resident in Switzerland I don't think they'll even consider dealing with you. Also, as far as they're concerned the car is no longer registered with them anyway. The physical number plates do belong to them, but that's all.

As others have said, there's something very dodgy going on here. The old grey card is a historical document only, but may be useful just to check the VIN codes to ensure it's actually the vehicle it claims to be. In your situation I'd insist that the dealer provided valid impiety and registration documents and plates, or demand my deposit back and walk away from it.
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As a non-resident in Switzerland I don't think they'll even consider dealing with you. Also, as far as they're concerned the car is no longer registered with them anyway.
None of those issues is a problem to get export plates in Basel-Land.
https://www.baselland.ch/politik-und...childer/export
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

Many thanks once again. It seems to me reasonable to go to Basel or another canton where they do not require residence in Switzerland and apply for export plates (any other suggestions are welcome). In this way if there is something irregular, it should come up. For that purpose I will need to get the grey stamped certificate and maybe the plates from the dealer.

Hopefully there will not be a need for a car inspection as the car is in UK now.

Can the MOT equivalent in Switzerland ( Betriebssicherheitsbestätigung gemäss Rubrik "Nachweis der Betriebssicherheit") be checked via some system or I need to present a certificate (most probably request it nicely from the former owner)? The car was registered in 2007 and the last test was done in March'16 (at least this is what I deduce from the papers).
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

There is no certificate, nor is there any reason to do it before they invite you to do it.

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Can the MOT equivalent in Switzerland ( Betriebssicherheitsbestätigung gemäss Rubrik "Nachweis der Betriebssicherheit") be checked via some system
No. The MOT equivalent is the MFK. As you already have seen the last date it was done can be seen on the gray card.

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or I need to present a certificate (most probably request it nicely from the former owner)? The car was registered in 2007 and the last test was done in March'16 (at least this is what I deduce from the papers).
The car is older than 10 years and the last MFK (MOT) was done less than two years ago. All is o.k.

You would only need such a Betriebssicherheitsbestätigung (from a Swiss garage which guarantees roadworthyness) if the test was done more than 2 years ago (on a car ten years or older). No need for any other papers than the gray card to "proof" roadworthyness. Unless, the stamp on the gray card mentions that the car is not roadworthy due to a known crash or police report.
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

That's great advice. Thanks very much.

If somebody know another canton where non-residents in Switzerland can apply for export plates, please let me know (I would like to have a back-up).
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That's great advice. Thanks very much.

If somebody know another canton where non-residents in Switzerland can apply for export plates, please let me know (I would like to have a back-up).
It is complicated as every canton has some different rules.
Aargau for example requests that the MFK is not more than 1 year ago in case of an 6 year or older car or need a roadworthy certificate from a Swiss garage.

Basel-city needs proof of residency. Solothurn seems not to offer export plates,

Bern, Luzern and Zurich seem to be an other option.
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

The Polish dealer who bought my BMW from the forum got export plates from Germany, then collected the car from ZH & drove to Poland. Probably cheaper than Swiss export plates.
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The Polish dealer who bought my BMW from the forum got export plates from Germany, then collected the car from ZH & drove to Poland. Probably cheaper than Swiss export plates.
And also easier to get as it can be done online instead only in person and only during certain hours.
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

Thanks, this is quite interesting. If I can buy online German export plates for a car formerly registered in Switzerland, that will be simply great. I have just done a bit of online search and it seems there are even some websites where it looks like you can apply for German export plates (http://www.export-plate.com/).
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Re: Driving a car in EU on swiss plates with grey registration certificate annulled

About 30 years ago I exported two new cars from Germany to the UK. Each time the German temporary export plates included 2 weeks (I think) third party insurance cover for the overland drive to the importing country.

In those days you would need to buy a "Doppel Versicherungs Karte" from an insurance agent, the offices are conveniently situated near the car registration office. Doppel: one set of papers are for exporting from Germany, the other set are for the importing country.

I don't understand why you are looking for export plates when the car is physically in the UK. Why not simply import it into the UK?

You write you want to use the car for a holiday in Europe, but export plates have a limited lifespan, as the insurance is short term for a special situation.
Police officers will inspect your insurance when you are driving after the export plates have expired.
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If you live in the EU, you cannot drive a Swiss registered car.
Does this apply to all EU? As opposed to, you can't drive a CH registered car in the country of your residence?
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