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Old 25.07.2017, 17:16
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

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Yeah, but they want you to enter on the left lane = then get to the inner lane, even though you need to change to the right one after about 5 meters to be able to leave for Sihltalstrasse. They write it on the ground so big you can't pretend you didn't see it.
As I said, the roundabouts are too small here, even though the Sihlbrugg one seems big, the entries are too close together.
There is no need to change.

You enter the left lane but after 5 meters 20 meters (!) there is only one lane, in which you just keep to the right. Or do I miss something?

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Old 25.07.2017, 17:36
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Entering a roundabout and while driving in a roundabout w/o changing lanes no indication is needed. The leaving of the roundabout must be indicated.
Plus, those wanting to enter have to give way to those already in (yes, already mentioned, just for completeness' sake).

That's how simple it is. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.

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That's the most idiot traffic-related implement I've ever seen! They build these lavish roundabouts in order to smoothen traffic flow and then place a pedestrian crossing immediately after. It defeats the entire point of a roundabout.
The exact opposite, it's a recognition of how people function.

Nobody, including you, would use the zebra crossing if it were set back 20m if they wanted to essentially walk strait ahead. Not even 10m.

Ok, perhaps you don't use them at all because you never walk but that's a completely different matter

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Old 25.07.2017, 17:42
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the roundabouts are too small here
Downright huge compared to this one down the street:

https://www.google.ch/maps/place/Tor...04!4d8.9243192

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Old 25.07.2017, 19:30
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There is no need to change.

You enter the left lane but after 5 meters 20 meters (!) there is only one lane, in which you just keep to the right. Or do I miss something?

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From Zug two lanes enter the roundabout. They order me to be the purple line. As soon as the one next to me has left for Hirzel I have to indicate/change into the red lane in order to leave to Sihltalstrasse (which is only one lane). That's let's say 10m after I entered (female are not good at estimating, ego boost for guys) where that black thing is on your picture. Problem: The ones wanting to enter from Hirzel (on one lane) are so eager to get in that they try not to let me onto the red lane.
What you indicated purple does not leave onto Sihltalstrasse but basically further around (to exit for the car-sales thing or on after back to Zug). On the picture it looks as if the Hirzel-lane has it's own extra space - which it doesn', maybe the road from Menzingen (which is after the roundabut but close enough to cause confusion) gives that impression, I'm not sure.

If the whole roundabout were bigger - entries further apart - it would be dead easy.
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Old 25.07.2017, 21:31
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In summary - Swiss road design and roundabout markings are crap, some (Swiss?) drivers aren't very good at using them.
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Old 25.07.2017, 21:46
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In summary - Swiss road design and roundabout markings are crap, some (Swiss?) drivers aren't very good at using them.
of course it's not you
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Old 25.07.2017, 23:03
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In summary - Swiss road design and roundabout markings are crap GREAT, some (Swiss?) drivers FOREIGN NUMPTIES aren't very good at using them.
FTFY.

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Old 26.07.2017, 01:03
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of course it's not you
Me? Not at all, I was just trying to summarise what others were saying. Personally I don't have a problem, as I just default to a 'Priorité à Moi' system, which works very well, but entails pretty much ignoring the road markings and using whichever lane I consider most appropriate at any given time.
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Old 26.07.2017, 02:04
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In big, multi-lane roundabouts I'm sometimes confused in which lane to stay in order to exit the roundabout in the most comfortable way, especially when different streets leading to the roundabout have different numbers of lanes.

Is there an optimal solution?

Moreover, how much should I wait to enter the roundabout? Until a safe gap happens from the left or until there is really no car in the sight? Can I enter while another car has not left the roundabout yet, but is on my right?


How Big??
https://www.google.ch/maps/place/The....7718131?hl=en

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Old 26.07.2017, 14:10
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Me? Not at all, I was just trying to summarise what others were saying. Personally I don't have a problem, as I just default to a 'Priorité à Moi' system, which works very well, but entails pretty much ignoring the road markings and using whichever lane I consider most appropriate at any given time.
Must be you I run into in Sihlbrugg all the time

Apart from that particular one I like roundabouts. Best invention ever.
Okay, in England where they are huge, several lanes and all the wrong way around they can be a pain. Best to cross them in a Swiss car = everybody backs off.
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Old 26.07.2017, 14:43
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

Amateurs

What about this bad boy at Hemel Hempstead?

https://www.google.ch/maps/place/The...96!4d-0.472904
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Old 26.07.2017, 14:53
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Amateurs

What about this bad boy at Hemel Hempstead?

https://www.google.ch/maps/place/The...96!4d-0.472904
holy cow.

Tell me that was designed specifically to give driving instructors a place to torture their students.
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Old 26.07.2017, 15:16
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

The Hangar lane giratory is the stuff of nightmares.
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Old 26.07.2017, 15:17
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

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Old 26.07.2017, 16:26
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

yeah but that one you just cross as you like, with a little help of honking ..... or do you have to obey rules there by now too?
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

In the sixties my aunt drove my mother from London to Brighton, and they were so busy talking they didn't notice the roundabout, she drove straight across it, and then noticed the bump at the other side.... You're safe, the aunt is now dead.

The famous magic roundabout at Swindon, UK, https://www.google.com/search?site=i...W4c6GytgubqzM:
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Old 26.07.2017, 17:12
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In the sixties my aunt drove my mother from London to Brighton, and they were so busy talking they didn't notice the roundabout, she drove straight across it, and then noticed the bump at the other side.... You're safe, the aunt is now dead.

The famous magic roundabout at Swindon, UK, https://www.google.com/search?site=i...W4c6GytgubqzM:
There were roundabouts in the 60-ies?

Oh I love the linked one - do people ever get out of it again? Looks like a labyrinth for cars.
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There were roundabouts in the 60-ies?

Oh I love the linked one - do people ever get out of it again? Looks like a labyrinth for cars.
Roundabouts have been around for a very long time.
The first U.K. roundabout was in Letchworth and was built in 1909.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
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Old 26.07.2017, 20:57
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Roundabouts have been around for a very long time.
The first U.K. roundabout was in Letchworth and was built in 1909.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout
Note the graphics of cars indicating left and right as they go around the roundabout. (Both UK & continental versions!!)

It is a pity the Swiss need to create something inferior, slowing down the traffic, and leaving drivers uncertain.
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Re: The best way to drive multi-lane roundabouts

If you learnt to drive and passed your test in the UK you should be more than equipped to handle roundabouts, the same rules will apply...but in a mirrored sense, if you get what I mean.


Should you at any point find yourself in the wrong lane (outside lane) on a multi lane roundabout, continue round the roundabout in order to offer yourself a second opportunity to get into the correct lane the next time around. It is important to remember to always signal your intention to exit, this should be done as you clear the exit prior to the one you wish to use. The Swiss are terrible at signalling on roundabouts, in fact it is seldomly ever done, especially when intending to go round and take the last exit
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