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Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

I'm thinking about driving my Swiss diesel car into London (please don't tell me not to)

On this page it says cars are exempt from LEZ charges

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...le-is-affected

But on this page

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...er?intcmp=2272

It says

Vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom
You will need to register your vehicle with us if:

Your vehicle meets LEZ emissions standards


Is it (hopefully) all cars are exempt ? Or all non-UK vehicles have to register ?

Rather than guessing from the web sites.. does anyone have any actual experience ?
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Old 27.07.2017, 18:37
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

Hedging my bets I downloaded the form to register but.. of course the form says

Cars, motorcycles and small vans (under 1.205 tones unladen weight) are not included in the LEZ.

So there's no way to register it anyway

I'm starting to think that's a Typo on the web site and they mean that foreign vehicles that don't meet the emissions standards have to register

Thank God Brexit's gonna make all this loads easier
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

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I'm thinking about driving my Swiss diesel car into London (please don't tell me not to)

On this page it says cars are exempt from LEZ charges

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...le-is-affected

But on this page

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...er?intcmp=2272

It says

Vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom
You will need to register your vehicle with us if:

Your vehicle meets LEZ emissions standards


Is it (hopefully) all cars are exempt ? Or all non-UK vehicles have to register ?

Rather than guessing from the web sites.. does anyone have any actual experience ?
All cars (whether they run on diesel or not) are exempt. However, you need to let TfL know that your foreign-registered vehicle is a car (and therefore exempt), as their number-plate-reading cameras can't detect vehicle types:

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If you're driving a vehicle registered outside the UK, you'll need to register it with us to let us know that it meets the LEZ emissions standards so we can add your vehicle to our database.

It's important that you do this, because if you drive in the LEZ without registering, even if your vehicle meets the standards, you'll have to pay the daily charge, or may receive a Penalty Charge Notice.
Also from the LEZ website:

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Vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom

You will need to register your vehicle with us if:

Your vehicle meets LEZ emissions standards
Your vehicle qualifies for an exemption or discount.
Your vehicle is exempt but you have to register it with them.
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

Does anyone see the irony here?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...vans-from-2040
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Old 27.07.2017, 22:40
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

Thanks

Based on other research... I've come to same conclusion.. I am supposed to register

But.. to register... first you have to sign up to their web site.. then to 'register' you have to fill in a .PDF which says 'pick your vehicle' .. then lists all the vehicle types that need registering.. trucks lorries vans etc.. but doesn't have a tick box for cars.. because cars don't need registering..

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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

Sounds about right. I'm signed up for the Dartford Crossing account and wanted to change the colour details of our car when we got a new one. Sorry, not possible. No option for editing the colour and trying to delete the registration details didn't work either as I needed a car to have the account. I e-mailed them about it and got back the answer "we're not really worried about the colour of the car."
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Old 27.07.2017, 22:57
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

So.. I found a 'help' page at Transport for London and asked what I'm supposed to do

Amazingly.. just got an emailed answer .. a stock PDF/Letter.. I have to 'register' because they can't look up my car at the DVLA

And to register, I have to fill in a PDF (because, you know.. it's 2003) that isn't set up for foreign cars and can take '10 days' to process

Useless

btw.. I'm assuming this applies to all foreign cars that want to drive in London.. has nothing to do with petrol/diesel/electric
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Old 27.07.2017, 23:14
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

The cameras cannot read your Swiss number plate. You have tried to register and been sent idiotic bureacracy. Just put a sign in your back window "I tried to register" and drive in. Otherwise I believe I read somewhere that newsagents may be able to sell you a ticket for the entry fee.
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

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Sounds about right. I'm signed up for the Dartford Crossing account and wanted to change the colour details of our car when we got a new one. Sorry, not possible. No option for editing the colour and trying to delete the registration details didn't work either as I needed a car to have the account. I e-mailed them about it and got back the answer "we're not really worried about the colour of the car."
I've crossed the Dartford toll 3 separate times (6 in total) in my Swiss car and each time I've received a fine from their miserable collections agency despite paying in advance. I send the proof of payment and they obviously cancel it, buts its annoying nonetheless.
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

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Otherwise I believe I read somewhere that newsagents may be able to sell you a ticket for the entry fee.
All cars, even foreign ones, are exempt from the fee, so I'm sure the OP doesn't want to pay the fee at a newsagency.

OP, you can only do your best. Perhaps if you drive in and do receive a request for payment or a penalty notice, you could refer them to the standard reply you received by email and to this thread -- along with proof that your vehicle is a car and therefore exempt (i.e. send a copy of your Swiss registration card). In other words, you've done all you can to be proactive, now all you can do is react.
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So.. I found a 'help' page at Transport for London and asked what I'm supposed to do

Amazingly.. just got an emailed answer .. a stock PDF/Letter.. I have to 'register' because they can't look up my car at the DVLA

And to register, I have to fill in a PDF (because, you know.. it's 2003) that isn't set up for foreign cars and can take '10 days' to process

Useless

btw.. I'm assuming this applies to all foreign cars that want to drive in London.. has nothing to do with petrol/diesel/electric
Print off the PDF, add car and tick and send the paperwork to them snail mail. If you're not going in the very near future that should work.

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I've crossed the Dartford toll 3 separate times (6 in total) in my Swiss car and each time I've received a fine from their miserable collections agency despite paying in advance. I send the proof of payment and they obviously cancel it, buts its annoying nonetheless.
Crossed in ours about 8 times (not counting our early morning crossings when it's free anyway) and never had a problem so far. Do you have an account set up or do you just pay for the trips when you decide to travel to the UK?
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All cars, even foreign ones, are exempt from the fee, so I'm sure the OP doesn't want to pay the fee at a newsagency.

OP, you can only do your best. Perhaps if you drive in and do receive a request for payment or a penalty notice, you could refer them to the standard reply you received by email and to this thread -- along with proof that your vehicle is a car and therefore exempt (i.e. send a copy of your Swiss registration card). In other words, you've done all you can to be proactive, now all you can do is react.
I thought some cars, like the larger defenders with 12 seats, needed to comply?
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

I wonder if there is some confusion between LEZ and Congestion Charge Zone?

"The LEZ applies to diesel lorries, buses, coaches, motor caravans,
motorised horseboxes, larger vans, minibuses and other specialist
vehicles. Cars and motorcycles are not affected."

"Remember, the LEZ isn't the same as the central London Congestion Charge zone. The Congestion Charge applies 07:00-18:00 Monday to Friday, excluding public and Bank Holidays. If you drive within the charging zone during these times you will have to pay the Congestion Charge, even if you meet the LEZ emissions standards and have paid the Daily LEZ Charge."
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I wonder if there is some confusion between LEZ and Congestion Charge Zone?

"The LEZ applies to diesel lorries, buses, coaches, motor caravans,
motorised horseboxes, larger vans, minibuses and other specialist
vehicles. Cars and motorcycles are not affected."

"Remember, the LEZ isn't the same as the central London Congestion Charge zone. The Congestion Charge applies 07:00-18:00 Monday to Friday, excluding public and Bank Holidays. If you drive within the charging zone during these times you will have to pay the Congestion Charge, even if you meet the LEZ emissions standards and have paid the Daily LEZ Charge."
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Re: Driving a Swiss diesel into London Low Emission Zone

Not the OP but I did drive a CH registered T5 2012 VW multivan with the kids through London in July 2017 and I have just received 2 penalty notices here in CH, each for c. CHF 1300 from "europay plc".

Clearly a 7 seat vehicle is not a van - but the cameras don't see the sides of the vehicle and it's shoot first ask later by the looks of it.

So this isn't all that amusing - I'd recommend getting any MPV/multivan/large car with 7+ seats registered ahead of visiting London...

...or you'll be on a time-consuming letter writing campaign proving it is a car and you didn't need to register... EVEN IF that is exactly what the Tfl website currently says (I checked carefully beforehand... (a) if it's a car OR minibus with less than 9 seats = "you are not affected" (b) and Tfl says only "affected" vehicles need to register).

Just register.
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Just register.
... if you can, is the point of this thread.
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Not the OP but I did drive a CH registered T5 2012 VW multivan with the kids through London in July 2017 and I have just received 2 penalty notices here in CH, each for c. CHF 1300 from "europay plc".

Clearly a 7 seat vehicle is not a van - but the cameras don't see the sides of the vehicle and it's shoot first ask later by the looks of it.

So this isn't all that amusing - I'd recommend getting any MPV/multivan/large car with 7+ seats registered ahead of visiting London...

...or you'll be on a time-consuming letter writing campaign proving it is a car and you didn't need to register... EVEN IF that is exactly what the Tfl website currently says (I checked carefully beforehand... (a) if it's a car OR minibus with less than 9 seats = "you are not affected" (b) and Tfl says only "affected" vehicles need to register).

Just register.
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I'm thinking about driving my Swiss diesel car into London (please don't tell me not to)

On this page it says cars are exempt from LEZ charges

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...le-is-affected

But on this page

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...er?intcmp=2272

It says

Vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom
You will need to register your vehicle with us if:

Your vehicle meets LEZ emissions standards



Is it (hopefully) all cars are exempt ? Or all non-UK vehicles have to register ?

Rather than guessing from the web sites.. does anyone have any actual experience ?
Think that answers your situation. To be on the safe side if you meet the emissions standard - register.

Looks like you've been overcharged on penalties anyway so challenge them.

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/low...enalty-charges
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