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Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

Friends, I think the question must be buried in some thread, searched couldn't find.
I've to travel from Lausanne to Rolle for work. So i've taken a monthly pass which covers 7 zones. All good so far.
Sometimes I travel to meet friends in Nyon or Geneva.i used to purchase Rolle to Nyon or Rolle to Geneva in addition to my monthly Pass and on SBB mobile used to cost me 7.4 for Rolle to Nyon for eg.
Then on discussing with rail counter, found I didn't have to take from Rolle (already covered zone) and instead take from Bursinel to Nyon... Also saw in mobile app that you can purchase zones, I'm assuming I need to purchase 2 extra zones for nyon which costs only 2.9 .
Is this right? Any other optimal ways, to say take a day pass for a route?also I think if you're taking extra zones, need to be sure the train stops at your pass station to be able to take the extra zones

Apologize for the long description, but couldn't find this in SBB or couldn't locate these
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

This is correct and has nothing to do with in between stops.

Source: We do this often ourselves, but since personal experience is not the most reliable source on the net, here's also a link.

http://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards...e-upgrade.html
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

Ok, thanks..so I just need to take the extra zones I need to travel by - in this case 3 I think
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

Yes you are right, focus on the zone that you will be arriving in..normally, getting the right extension ticket can save quite a lot of money
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This is correct and has nothing to do with in between stops.

Source: We do this often ourselves, but since personal experience is not the most reliable source on the net, here's also a link.

http://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards...e-upgrade.html
Be verry careful. The rules for the ZVV network (around Zurich) are different from the rules of other zone networks. Like ZVV offers a 24h flat rate ticket, whereas in other zone a return ticket is only valid for the last train of the day (which can be around 3am). Or for example Basel City where a single ticket is a true single ticket and cannot be used for a return journey, wheras a ZVV single ticket is valid for any trip within the validity period.

Also be carful when you cross from one zone network into an other.

In short: A mess.
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

You can buy additional zones to reach your destination beyond what you already have as long as you stay within the Mobilis area.

Geneva it's a different story as it's beyond the Mobilis area - for that you would need to buy a Rolle-Geneva ticket
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

If you buy it as a zone upgrade, you just need to cover the additional zones the train passes through, regardless of where it stops.

BUT if you buy it as a point-to-point ticket (e.g. for longer journeys) you have to buy it from the last station the train stops at in your existing zone ticket.

For example, with a ZVV all-zones going Zurich to Chur.

- Regional train stopping at Pfaffikon SZ - can buy ticket from there

- Intercity not stopping until Sargans - have to buy ticket from Zurich

Details (for ZVV): https://www.sbb.ch/en/travelcards-an...t-network.html

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Outside the network area.
For journeys beyond the borders of the network, network tickets are only valid up to the last timetabled stop within the zones purchased.
The network tickets are not valid in SBB trains that do not stop in the zones paid for.
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Be verry careful. The rules for the ZVV network (around Zurich) are different from the rules of other zone networks. Like ZVV offers a 24h flat rate ticket, whereas in other zone a return ticket is only valid for the last train of the day (which can be around 3am). Or for example Basel City where a single ticket is a true single ticket and cannot be used for a return journey, wheras a ZVV single ticket is valid for any trip within the validity period.

Also be carful when you cross from one zone network into an other.

In short: A mess.
It is really a mess...
I am very nervous nearly every time when I need to come across zones.
Aslo confused about the 24h tickets...
Thank you for the explaining.
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

"If you buy it as a zone upgrade, you just need to cover the additional zones the train passes through, regardless of where it stops"


That's not really true, at least not for all passes e.g. not for the Z-Pass. The rules are a little complex and easy to misunderstand so you're better talking to someone from railway staff.
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"If you buy it as a zone upgrade, you just need to cover the additional zones the train passes through, regardless of where it stops"


That's not really true, at least not for all passes e.g. not for the Z-Pass. The rules are a little complex and easy to misunderstand so you're better talking to someone from railway staff.
It is true, according to the ZVV site and staff that I've asked in the past. That's the whole point of a zone based ticket.

From http://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards...ts/z-pass.html

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The Z-Pass is a zone-based ticket: While the ticket is valid, you can travel freely within your chosen zones by train, bus, tram and boat*.
The only exceptions are night supplements and the ZSG surcharge.
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It is true, according to the ZVV site and staff that I've asked in the past. That's the whole point of a zone based ticket.

From http://www.zvv.ch/zvv/en/travelcards...ts/z-pass.html
Z-Pass is not ZVV. Z-Pass is ZVV plus another neighboring zone network (A-Well, Ostwind, Flextax etc.) In the follwing I assume we use A-Welle Z-Pass.

There is no Z-Pass extension, there are only ZVV extensions valid in the ZVV area and A-Welle extensions valid in the A-Welle area. Do use such an extension you must first initially set foot in the network.

For example if you have a Z-Pass Baden-Dietikon ticket and you wish to travel from Baden to Zurich you have the following options:

You take the direct train from Baden to Zurich. No extension possible you will need a new ticket!

You take a train which stops in Dietikon (S12) or any ZVV stop before. You can get 2 Zone extension which covers the double zone 110.

See also: http://www.zpass.ch/zpass/en/travelc...-upgrades.html

Additionally, assume you have only a A-Welle ticket Baden-Spreitenbach. If you intend to travel to Zurich using the S12 you can not simply buy a ZVV ticket covering the adjacent Dietikon-Zurich ZVV zones, you would need a Z-Pass Spreitenbach-Zurich ticket.
See (in German): https://www.a-welle.ch/nachbarverbue...-oder-abo.html

Unless, you take the connecting bus from Spreitenbach Shopping Center as this is a special stop which is in the ZVV as well A-Welle area.
Other such stops in A-Welle area are marked red on this map: https://www.a-welle.ch/fileadmin/sei...intergrund.pdf
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Re: Questions on Rail Travel - travel outside zone

Thanks for the groan.

The point I was trying to make was that the zone systems don't all work the same way. The zone upgrade regardless of stops thing doesn't work for all systems, hence the need for local advice, especially given that the original question was not concerning ZVV.
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