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Motorcycle exam (A) at Albisgütli

Hi all,

I have seen an interesting thread on the motorcycle exam already, with great info. Since it's a few years old, I thought I'd open a new one. Hope you don't mind :-)

Has anyone taken the A motorcycle test at Albisgütli recently?
I've mine next week.

I was wondering:

- is slalom part of the test? (In the previous thread it's said slalom is not included at Albisgütli)
- Does the Albisgütli location open it's track for 'testing' any day/time of the week?

I'm really struggling to find suitable places to test the slow riding, figure of 8 etc. In the Zurich area. Any idea would be very welcome

Thank you!
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I'm really struggling to find suitable places to test the slow riding, figure of 8 etc. In the Zurich area. Any idea would be very welcome
I see people practicing at railway park and ride lots Sunday morning. They're essentially empty. You can go to any industrial park and find many open and empty lots on Sundays as well (if you want one specifically, the Spreitenbach area by Dietikon has loads of big lots).

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Thanks a lot!
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Did you take a driving lesson so that you know the routes, like the Buchenegg?
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I thought I'd open a new one. Hope you don't mind :-)
Actually I mind. We prefer to keep stuff orderly in one place. Helps not to repeat oneself.

For example do you know the area where the practical test will be held_ I think I posted this picture in that other thread:

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- is slalom part of the test? (In the previous thread it's said slalom is not included at Albisgütli)
- Does the Albisgütli location open it's track for 'testing' any day/time of the week?

I'm really struggling to find suitable places to test the slow riding, figure of 8 etc. In the Zurich area. Any idea would be very welcome

Thank you!
It here behind the big hall https://goo.gl/maps/HJHC7yyRSfK2

According to this http://www.toeff-forum.ch/thread/126...ung-kanton-zh/ information, Albisgüetli and Winterthur are accessible:
Mon-Tue: 17:00 - 19:15
Wen-Fri: 16:00 - 19:15
Sat and Sun closed.

If the slalom is part or not also depends on the mood of the expert. It is anyway good if you learn and master both versions (Straight and staggered).

You will have to bring your own cones/cups/bottles/halved tennis balls to mark the slalom:
https://produkte.migros.ch/androni-verkehrskegel

One way to practice is to ride over Buchenegg or Albis to the StVA Zug/Steinhausen which is open for all. Lear to master the Spurgasse in both directions (up and down hill).
https://goo.gl/maps/8K1q5kFULJ62
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Actually I mind. We prefer to keep stuff orderly in one place. Helps not to repeat oneself.
Lesson learnt

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For example do you know the area where the practical test will be held_ I think I posted this picture in that other thread:

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It here behind the big hall https://goo.gl/maps/HJHC7yyRSfK2

According to this http://www.toeff-forum.ch/thread/126...ung-kanton-zh/ information, Albisgüetli and Winterthur are accessible:
Mon-Tue: 17:00 - 19:15
Wen-Fri: 16:00 - 19:15
Sat and Sun closed.

If the slalom is part or not also depends on the mood of the expert. It is anyway good if you learn and master both versions (Straight and staggered).

You will have to bring your own cones/cups/bottles/halved tennis balls to mark the slalom:
https://produkte.migros.ch/androni-verkehrskegel

One way to practice is to ride over Buchenegg or Albis to the StVA Zug/Steinhausen which is open for all. Lear to master the Spurgasse in both directions (up and down hill).
https://goo.gl/maps/8K1q5kFULJ62
This is incredibly helpful - thank you!

And I love the Migros cones

Newbie question: what's 'Spurgasse'?

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Did you take a driving lesson so that you know the routes, like the Buchenegg?
Lesson booked, thanks a lot!
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the Spurgasse is 10 meter in minimal 16 seconds.
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the Spurgasse is 10 meter in minimal 16 seconds.
Understood. Training on that one, pretty much there, but want to feel.more relaxed when doing it. It takes quite some time!
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Understood. Training on that one, pretty much there, but want to feel.more relaxed when doing it. It takes quite some time!
Being relaxed is one of the keys. Focusing on a point ahead the other. Do not look down on the road. This maneuver can be trained every day on the road at every red traffic light, traffic jam etc. A real master does it in 20 seconds or more easily.

Go to work with the bike. Also in rain (you can not pick the weather on the test day). Maybe go for practice over lunch or when not then at least when you ride home in the evening.

Figure-8 (as small as possible). Tip: Start a new circle once your rear wheel is in the middle of the figure-8, look at where you want do drive: The middle of the figure 8.

For the straight slalom the cones are approx 3 meters apart. Try it with different distances (shorter, longer).

For the staggered slalom I read about two version "official" https://www.toeff-forum.ch/thread/12...742#post196742 (The mentioned ASA Guideline No. 7 is not publicly available https://asa.ch/online-bibliothek/richtlinien/) seams to be longitudinal (in direction of travel) 5 meters apart, lateral 3 meters.
A distances of long 4.5m, lat 1.8m seems to be used in Zurich http://www.moredrive.ch/dokumente/methodischeAM.pdf and http://fahrschuleroger.ch/?page_id=284.
Tip: Do it fluid and just like the figure 8. If you get the knack then the actual distance of the cones to not mater.

You will have to do an emergency stop from 50 km/h. Emergency as in to come to full halt as fast as possible. Once you stop put left foot on ground, then take right foot from brake and put it also to the ground. To get confidence master it from at least 60 km/h and on wet road. You still can not pick the weather on the test day.

Some driving instructors offer regular, paid maneuver trainings:
http://www.fahrschulekoch.ch/motorra...oevertraining/
http://www.mannhard.ch/motorrad/ausb...tails-zum-kurs
Maybe worth when you are really struggling and need additional inputs or hint. But not really needed.
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Being relaxed is one of the keys. Focusing on a point ahead the other. Do not look down on the road. This maneuver can be trained every day on the road at every red traffic light, traffic jam etc. A real master does it in 20 seconds or more easily.

Go to work with the bike. Also in rain (you can not pick the weather on the test day). Maybe go for practice over lunch or when not then at least when you ride home in the evening.

Figure-8 (as small as possible). Tip: Start a new circle once your rear wheel is in the middle of the figure-8, look at where you want do drive: The middle of the figure 8.

For the straight slalom the cones are approx 3 meters apart. Try it with different distances (shorter, longer).

For the staggered slalom I read about two version "official" https://www.toeff-forum.ch/thread/12...742#post196742 (The mentioned ASA Guideline No. 7 is not publicly available https://asa.ch/online-bibliothek/richtlinien/) seams to be longitudinal (in direction of travel) 5 meters apart, lateral 3 meters.
A distances of long 4.5m, lat 1.8m seems to be used in Zurich http://www.moredrive.ch/dokumente/methodischeAM.pdf and http://fahrschuleroger.ch/?page_id=284.
Tip: Do it fluid and just like the figure 8. If you get the knack then the actual distance of the cones to not mater.

You will have to do an emergency stop from 50 km/h. Emergency as in to come to full halt as fast as possible. Once you stop put left foot on ground, then take right foot from brake and put it also to the ground. To get confidence master it from at least 60 km/h and on wet road. You still can not pick the weather on the test day.

Some driving instructors offer regular, paid maneuver trainings:
http://www.fahrschulekoch.ch/motorra...oevertraining/
http://www.mannhard.ch/motorrad/ausb...tails-zum-kurs
Maybe worth when you are really struggling and need additional inputs or hint. But not really needed.
This is great, thank you so much. Also, I tried the StVA Zug/Steinhausen and it was perfect. During the day it's pretty empty. It starts to get busy at 6pm-ish.
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Re: Motorcycle exam (A) at Albisgütli

Hi all,

I failed my first attempt (due to the -lack of - kurventechnik), but hope the attached explanation of 'slow manoeuvers' for Zurich might help someone else.

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Re: Motorcycle exam (A) at Albisgütli

That's too bad to hear - I failed my first exam too exactly for that reason. I also told the expert, if you were driving behind me in a car or on the bike, I would have passed I am not so used to riding with someone pillion (so that's what I'm gong to practice the entire weekend!).

How long did you have to ride for with pillion? And do you remember the route? I kind of remember mine, perhaps we can share notes
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My daughter passed first try, but her boyfiend failed (same day) for riding too slowly (60 in an 80)!

Then again, she also passed her car practical first try, and had had a 50cc (actually 70cc) for three years before the car.

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Re: Motorcycle exam (A) at Albisgütli

Just in case someone reads this again, the StVA has now a pretty good page explaining the manoeuvres, including a video for the ones at Albisgütli:



as well as diagrams for the other ZH sites.
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That youtube video should be a sticky. very useful.
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And for practicing (although only Sundays and Mo-Sa after 19h30/20h), I recommend the Bauhaus parking spot in Schlieren.

The truck parking spots are 10m long x 3 m wide, very useful for all manoeuvres (all dimensions in the attachments). The normal parking spots are 2.5m wide (4 spots for a "Spurgasse") which is also helpful because you can get a slight inclination there and practice upwards/downwards.

Plus, they usually have firewood (this as 1st semester 2019) in a shed on the lot, so you don't even have to bring your own cones.
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Does anyone have an upcoming exam (before end of season) they would like to practice for?
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