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Electric cars and dinosaur oil

Is the oil industry dead or at least dying?

Will electric cars and photo-voltaic electricity generation be the one-two punch that takes down big oil?

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Is the oil industry dead or at least dying?

Will electric cars and photo-voltaic electricity generation be the one-two punch that takes down big oil?

Reaching out to the collective EF wisdom.
I'd rather money was invested in small, modular nuclear power plants; clean, virtually inexhaustible energy. But people have an irrational fear of nuclear power for some reason.
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

I don't think so. Electric cars are only attractive because of environmental reasons. As long as there are plenty of places in the world where the environment is not important, oil will be important.
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

I think most cars, buses, trucks, boats - even big ones are not far from being ready to go oil free, next ten years?

But air travel .. It's a million miles away no?


Maybe we see the end of public oil use and rationing for military aviation only in the not too distant future?
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:17
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

something has to fuel the power stations, I wonder what that will be
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something has to fuel the power stations, I wonder what that will be
Cold fusion of course, it's just around the corner
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Cold fusion of course, it's just around the corner
magic would be a much better option. the Ford Anglica in Harry Potter shows that this is a proven technology. and then I don't even mention the capability to fly and the auto pilot.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:34
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

After everything is calculated, electric cars are not particularly good for the environment. The auto industry is going down another dead end, just as diesel engines were the saviour a few years ago.

Driving a vehicle with a massive battery isn't exactly efficient, and fairly useless when vehicle has to stop and recharge every few hours. If the car industry had any brain, they would rent the car battery to the car owner, who could exchange low battery for a fully charged battery at local garages.

Hydrogen fueled vehicles are the way to the future, not rechargeable batteries.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:44
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If the car industry had any brain, they would rent the car battery to the car owner, who could exchange low battery for a fully charged battery at local garages.
and the 10-20k's worth of battery packs would all be stolen within a week
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I'd rather money was invested in small, modular nuclear power plants; clean, virtually inexhaustible energy. But people have an irrational fear of nuclear power for some reason.
The cost of decommissioning a nuclear power station even when considered together with the money they make over their lifetime makes them very inefficient.

Oh, and as long as there are no electric container ships and airliners then I think oil is here to stay for some time to come.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:50
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

Nuclear Busses

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074205/
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I'd rather money was invested in small, modular nuclear power plants; clean, virtually inexhaustible energy. But people have an irrational fear of nuclear power for some reason.
I think this youtube vid from John Oliver looking into how the US handles nuclear waste would explain their fear somewhat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU
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Old 08.09.2017, 12:11
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Oh, and as long as there are no electric container ships and airliners then I think oil is here to stay for some time to come.
Container ships, no, but IEP isn't unknown (I know, burning fossil to drive a generator to drive a motor isn't exactly what you meant).

A couple of fairly large vessels listed there, and the Norwegian ferries are pretty cool, if a very specific operating environment.
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I think this youtube vid from John Oliver looking into how the US handles nuclear waste would explain their fear somewhat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU
I've seen that and even though I like a lot of John Oliver's material, much of that is outdated or just misinformed. Molten Thorium and fusion reactors can produce very little waste, but people are unwilling to invest heavily in them.
Having said that, I'm not particularly against solar, wind, or wave energy either, and believe a combination of nuclear and renewables could ease our dependence on fossil fuels quite dramatically.
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I think most cars, buses, trucks, boats - even big ones are not far from being ready to go oil free, next ten years?

But air travel .. It's a million miles away no?


Maybe we see the end of public oil use and rationing for military aviation only in the not too distant future?
I also wondered whether oil would become mainly an industrial and military resource.

According to this trucks and cars account for about half of the oil consumption (page 26): https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/pd...tlook-2017.pdf

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something has to fuel the power stations, I wonder what that will be
Coal and PV?
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Old 08.09.2017, 12:43
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But air travel .. It's a million miles away no?
As trains get faster, they really are a viable alternative to some plane journeys over land.

I went by train from Milan to Rome at the weekend and it was 2 hours 50 mins - city centre to city centre.

Flying is 1 hr 10 flight time but if you include getting to the airport, check in time and waiting and the time at the other end, it's probably about five hours minimum.

of course there is also Elon Musk's hyperloop if you want it faster....
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

Don't know if its feasible or even possible, but once cars / lorries etc are out of the ICE picture, could bio fuels power planes? can you turn it into aviation grade?
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Don't know if its feasible or even possible, but once cars / lorries etc are out of the ICE picture, could bio fuels power planes? can you turn it into aviation grade?
Apparently already possible:

http://www.synbioproject.org/cpi/applications/solajet/
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Re: Electric cars and dinosaur oil

Don't forget, also, that oil is the starting material for most of our plastics and synthetics. We'd need to find alternatives for all those, too.
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Don't forget, also, that oil is the starting material for most of our plastics and synthetics. We'd need to find alternatives for all those, too.
we already have bio plastics eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polylactic_acid
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