Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12.09.2017, 08:30
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Dear all,
I am planning to buy a VW California soon. It's a dream and I am willing to make it happen

The question here is if I should consider buying it in Germany or directly in Switzerland. I heard in Germany you can get 19% off but not sure if at the end it's worth it when importing it in CH + import duties ....

If anyone bought one of these vehicles, could you please guide me by sharing your experience?

Thanks a lot.
Regards.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25.09.2017, 22:23
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
rezdm has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Ok-ok, here am I with my attempt to buy a van during a year.

Input: family with triplets, need a car.

I spent quite some time choosing a car (short-list in the end were VW T6, MB V-class and Toyota Sienna). I went for MB, but this does not really matter -- I was ready (almost) to buy either VW or MB.

Basically, my every-day routine included monitoring mobile.de, autoscout24.ch, etc. What I found out is the following (in spring 2015):

If you buy a car in DE, say 60k EUR, minus German VAT, plus Swiss import duties, abgaz, etc: you will end up with roughly 60k CHF.
There are companies that take care of as much as you want: even going to a garage in DE checking a car, driving it all the way to your house, or just filling up papers for you (I came across couple, decide not to go for it anyway).

Actual car choice. Searching on mobile.de is (was?) awful. If you filter by preselecting options (manual/automatic, engine power, etc,etc,etc). You get just couple of cars, who's owners (or dealers) managed to go precisely through their docs and entered everything correctly. I recommend just enter VW T6 may be California aaaaaaand that's it. Then manually, one-by-one checking each and everyone. I went to Germany to have a look at 3 different cars in one day, but just did not like any of them -- they all were not at well... just all what I wanted (one was not sale-able to CH as the dealer in DE requires a car to stay in DE for at least 6 months). It's up to you to drive and have a look. What I also realized (at least for my car of choice) that there were a lot of T6 and V-class somewhere in the northern DE, which did not make sense even to try to drive.

Next thing -- warranty. At least for MB it worked, I bet it's possible for VW. But it in Germany -- cheaper, yes. As part of overall costs for new-ish car may not be that important, but can save you a few hundred CHFs.

That's it, I hope it helps.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:01
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Thank you very much for your answer.
I will take it in consideration.

What about the insurance? Is there any recommendation for camper vans?

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:04
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Insurance recommendation for Campervans VW California

Dear all,

Is there any recommended insurance for a campervan like a VW California.
I would like to know what could be the total cost for a full coverage.

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:10
roegner's Avatar
Moderately Dutch
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 11,824
Groaned at 387 Times in 325 Posts
Thanked 15,476 Times in 7,136 Posts
roegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond reputeroegner has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Insurance recommendation for Campervans VW California

Go to comparis.ch and you will find what is on offer
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:27
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Insurance recommendation for Campervans VW California

Quote:
View Post
Go to comparis.ch and you will find what is on offer
I couldnt find this model in comparis last time
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:31
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
rezdm has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Hi.

Honestly, California is not really a camper (in the sense that it is a normal car, just by some websites it can fall into category of not just PKW, but Nutzfahrzeuge; contrary to camper like Hymera and so). Just look up for the best option at comparis.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26.09.2017, 13:41
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

The problem is that it doesnt appear in comparis as a listed model
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 26.09.2017, 14:01
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,616
Groaned at 2,593 Times in 1,850 Posts
Thanked 39,709 Times in 18,721 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
I heard in Germany you can get 19% off.
Not quite correct.

You get the 19% VAT off, which means 16% off the price including VAT, not 19%.

You then pay 8% Swiss VAT and 4% customs duty.

So still 6% savings of the original price including VAT.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 26.09.2017, 14:04
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,616
Groaned at 2,593 Times in 1,850 Posts
Thanked 39,709 Times in 18,721 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
If you buy a car in DE, say 60k EUR, minus German VAT, plus Swiss import duties, abgaz, etc: you will end up with roughly 60k CHF.
At current exchange rates, CHF 62k, and that doesn't include the abgaz, etc, just VAT and customs duty.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 26.09.2017, 14:05
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,616
Groaned at 2,593 Times in 1,850 Posts
Thanked 39,709 Times in 18,721 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
The problem is that it doesnt appear in comparis as a listed model
If the model isn't sold here, expect even more problems and expenses.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 26.09.2017, 14:32
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 30
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
disaga87 has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Thanks Tom.

The model is sold in Switzerland, but I am not sure why it's not listed.

In any case, I think what I will do is to buy it in Spain, cheaper price than germany and then import it here. 8% + 4 % = 12% vs. 21%(spain) + admin taxes...

I heard as well that maybe driving further in Germany could help to find cheaper prices than in the inmediate border. What do you think?
Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 26.09.2017, 21:49
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
rezdm has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Don't forget temporary insurance to "get to the border", etc. A few bits and bytes here and there. I can find out my detailed list what to do, take into account 1-2 working day, etc.

And a small bit about California VW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3h2Rw1mHew

upd: in comparis just enter T5/6 Multivan/Caravella or what's that, insurance company will anyway check the model by model id from fahrzeugausweis and nothing prevents of going directly to an insurer.

Last edited by rezdm; 26.09.2017 at 22:10.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 26.09.2017, 22:32
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,412
Groaned at 365 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 23,815 Times in 8,616 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
Hi.

Honestly, California is not really a camper (in the sense that it is a normal car, just by some websites it can fall into category of not just PKW, but Nutzfahrzeuge; contrary to camper like Hymera and so). Just look up for the best option at comparis.
Of course is the California a camper... that's the point of it: You take a normal VW van and spec the heck out of it. Why? Because there is a very low tax in Germany on campers. So you get yourself a California and use it as a normal multivan for less running costs while having a pretty cool kit for the times you go camping.

Quote:
View Post
If the model isn't sold here, expect even more problems and expenses.

Tom
It's sold here. I believe the VW California is the best selling camper in CH. It really is simple: Go to autoscout.ch, pick VW in the camper section, not cars or commercial vehicles. Choose T6 and find a large number of Californias:
https://www.autoscout24.ch/de/wohnmo...st=1&vehtyp=70

From a quick look do the Swiss prices seem competitive if you compare apples with apples. Like with all cars do the Swiss apparently tick some more extras as the average EU customer. Those extras are very costly at VW, the California in particular is famous for being not exactly a bargain once you are done speccing.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 26.09.2017, 22:37
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
rezdm has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
I don't know who uses comparis to look for cars, but it really is simple:
Insurance, not car itself.




A propos camper. I did not know that it has special taxation in DE, I cannot comment on this at all. However, this is quite limited "wohnmobile". I was looking at this car as "daily people mover" and well... as a camper it is far from Hymera, Carado, etc. That is what I mean. I am really surprised that California (I would expect that MB Marco Polo as well) are then treated as campers as well.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 26.09.2017, 22:38
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,412
Groaned at 365 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 23,815 Times in 8,616 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post

The model is sold in Switzerland, but I am not sure why it's not listed.
Because its a camper, not a car. Insurances offer special packages for campers. Thats why people buy Californias in the first place...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 26.09.2017, 22:47
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,412
Groaned at 365 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 23,815 Times in 8,616 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post

And a small bit about California VW:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3h2Rw1mHew
Id wait for the XXL. Officially still a design study, but i bet it comes out commercially in a year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oKF6RXuo4
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 26.09.2017, 22:53
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 8,765
Groaned at 322 Times in 246 Posts
Thanked 20,109 Times in 7,026 Posts
k_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond reputek_and_e has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
Id wait for the XXL. Officially still a design study, but i bet it comes out commercially in a year...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4oKF6RXuo4
try having it for daily use. a California is 1.99m high and will fit in many parking garages. a XXL doesn't.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 26.09.2017, 23:01
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zug
Posts: 39
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
rezdm has no particular reputation at present
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
try having it for daily use. a California is 1.99m high and will fit in many parking garages. a XXL doesn't.
Out of curiosity. What's the weight (could not find specs yet)? Will it require more than B-license?
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 26.09.2017, 23:04
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,412
Groaned at 365 Times in 295 Posts
Thanked 23,815 Times in 8,616 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Buying a VW California in CH/Germany

Quote:
View Post
Out of curiosity. What's the weight (could not find specs yet)? Will it require more than B-license?
I am pretty sure it's over 3.5 tons. It certainly looks like 5.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
california, germany, importing, van, volkswagen




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Should I buy an iPhone 6S+ in California or CH? Zurical TV/internet/telephone 7 12.01.2016 17:15
California to CH in July Beach Lover Other/general 0 25.04.2015 05:01
VW Serviced in Germany 17clarence Transportation/driving 76 21.03.2014 09:20
Buying a car in Germany & registering in CH kiwi0041 Transportation/driving 6 05.01.2013 01:36
Need to source a VW Garage in Germany CormacD General off-topic 4 08.01.2012 22:42


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:53.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0