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Old 28.09.2017, 14:57
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Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

Yo! Iím looking for a high quality car wrapping service. Iíve tried several and they have one thing in common: they charge a lot of money for sh*t work.

So let me make it very plain: money is of no concern here, Iím looking for someone who will do a perfect job, that is, not a single cut into the paintwork, no visible edges to the wrap and no bubbles or dirt under the wrap.

These are all issues Iíve encountered already at multiple shops that claim to be high end (and charge prices accordingly). One shopís work resulted in so many cuts into the paintwork that half the car needed repainting. We are not talking about a run of the mill car either. The paintjob repair alone was way north of 20k. The shop footed the bill but Iím not giving them another chance.

I might just have to ship the car to Germany, but even there Iím not sure who to turn to, so Iím hoping someone here can recommend something.
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Old 28.09.2017, 15:01
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Yo! Iím looking for a high quality car wrapping service. Iíve tried several and they have one thing in common: they charge a lot of money for sh*t work.

So let me make it very plain: money is of no concern here, Iím looking for someone who will do a perfect job, that is, not a single cut into the paintwork, no visible edges to the wrap and no bubbles or dirt under the wrap.

These are all issues Iíve encountered already at multiple shops that claim to be high end (and charge prices accordingly). One shopís work resulted in so many cuts into the paintwork that half the car needed repainting. We are not talking about a run of the mill car either. The paintjob repair alone was way north of 20k. The shop footed the bill but Iím not giving them another chance.

I might just have to ship the car to Germany, but even there Iím not sure who to turn to, so Iím hoping someone here can recommend something.

just paint the car?

you're always going to need to cut a wrap especially if your car has a lot of curves.
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Old 28.09.2017, 15:06
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

you'd probably be better off asking on pistonheads lots of folks on there with high end cars that have had wraps for the wanker rallies
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Old 28.09.2017, 15:18
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

How about: http://vizart.ch/Autobeschriftung.html

I do not know if he does full wrapping but at least the is not unknown in this forum and neither is the sports car with the stripes.
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Old 28.09.2017, 17:05
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

Somebody used to advertise this here on EF. Didn't find the thread yet ....
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Old 28.09.2017, 17:08
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Old 28.09.2017, 17:32
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

Now I must admit that I've never used a wrap but last time I looked into it (some good years ago) the consensus I got at was that it would be something that might look OK for some time but fall apart pretty quickly and in the end not worth the money and hassle. And that the only wraps worth having (sometimes) are the clear vinyl protectors you can get on new cars. Different kind of ballgame as a lot more durable and built to resist stone chips and other nasties...

If money is no object, and for the person seeking quality, I would recommend a repaint, that is if the car really needs it.
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Old 29.09.2017, 09:25
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

xynth, judging from an old for-sale post, I suppose you need someone to wrap a PPF (paint-protection film) on the whole car, right?

I hate to hear your previous experience, I was getting offers for my car last year and I was shocked at the prices. I decided it's cheaper to polish whenever the car might need it, and be more careful when washing the damn thing. One year later it's pretty impecable, and I'm seriously pedantic about that sort of thing.

Beyond the insane cost, I routinely see cars that obviously went under a "detailer" and came out completely ruined (exhibit A below), so I was also conscious of the result.




if you find someone that can actually justify their prices, please let us know.

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Old 29.09.2017, 09:58
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

This is a piece of anti-advice, but as such, maybe still helpful as it may narrow the field a little.

I opted (or was persuaded by my trusted carrosserie) to have a spray-on film called Paint Defender (from 3M) applied like paint to my cars. It can even be painted over, itself. Because it's sprayed on, it looks absolutely impeccable -- just like a layer of paint. And the film is quite decent, too; it won't withstand a rock, but it manages small bumps and scrapes well.

Sounds great, right? And it looked great, too.

Until about two months later, when for some reason it developed bubbles all over the underside of the film. The shop removed all the film and resprayed another application. Same thing happened. They tried again, again the bubbles returned some weeks later. Nobody (neither the carrosserie nor the manufacturer) could work out what the problem was. Apparently others have had no problems but for me (on one car more than the other), the product is a disaster.

I guess traditional PPF wraps are still the way to go. Hope you find something good out there, and someone good to apply it.

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Old 29.09.2017, 10:44
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

is this just for paint protection xynth? I assumed you wanted some fancy colour scheme on your car. I've yet to see any protection film that doesn't look totally shit after a couple of years (if your lucky) they all discolour, when they start getting chips they look terrible and you can always see the end lines. stop being tight and just get the car resprayed when it looks tired
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

I have to agree or disagree with some of these comments...

A quality vinyl/ folie wrap with a quality product (like 3m) should last a good 5-7 years without fade and peeling.
Lower quality material is like 3-5, same with printed graphics.

Bubbling is caused by contamination like oils. They didn't prep surface correctly or used some kind of product that did not agree with the adhesive of the vinyl. Like a bad soap and water mixture or ammonia in your window cleaner for tinted glass.

Getting a good wrap depends more on the person actually wrapping. They should never have to touch the paint with a knife. Yes, you need to cut the vinyl but cuts should be hidden behinds lights and panels, and done with a very delicate hand.

I wish I was working for one of these places then I could do it for you. I have tens years experience, but still suck at german.

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Old 29.09.2017, 13:36
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

I got an offer once for Autoflex Spray Shield (similar to the Paint Defender), because my bumper had "too many edges" and it would take 10 business days to do the car in Xpel or something similar

I didn't see enough people online to have tried it, so I opted not to do it.


But for ppf, I've seen so many people, and the latest generations seem to not have the same problems as the early clear-bras.

But then you have installation risk, and unless you have seen quite a few examples of previous work, it's impossible to assess the installer...
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

^^^Your right unless its a small shop where you meet or can see installer working. But still not guarantee. All comes with some risk and here in Switzerland quite the price tag. USA is about half price, of course there you can also get a super cheap paint job from Maaco for under a grand.

^^^ also agreed early stuff was poor quality compared to new products out there. New stuff has more UV protection and air release technology. Some of the new clear protection stuff can even heal itself from scratches or cuts with a little heat.
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Old 01.10.2017, 11:35
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

Thanks for all the replies! I was looking for both ppf and the typical wankermobile matte wrap.

At the moment I'm just doing the routine of "have the car repainted when my OCD says so", but I thought there has got to be a better way.

I had the Bodyfence Hexis on the Ferrari I advertised here as well and I was really satisfied with the foil itself (the wrapping job was so-so). At risk of sounding like a talking head out of a telemarketing program, you could literally take a wire brush to it, and a couple of hours in sunlight would heal the foil back to being perfectly smooth and without a scratch. Admittedly I only had the car for 2 years I think, but I didn't spot any degradation in the film during that time. I think the technology is there, it's just finding a shop that is serious enough to not do a sh*t job.
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Thanks for all the replies! I was looking for both ppf and the typical wankermobile matte wrap.

At the moment I'm just doing the routine of "have the car repainted when my OCD says so", but I thought there has got to be a better way.
Your problem is you want a painter/filmer who is as OCD as you are. They're rare, market forces and long term exposure to solvents tend to work against them.
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

yep I don't think switzerland will be the place to get this done, germany or the UK would be a better bet, did you ask on pistonheads?
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

Ship the car to London. And please do a PPF not a wrap. PPF should be easier to install and as it is pre-cut by a machine in the shop perhaps no knife cuts on paint...
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Re: Quality Car Wrapping (ITT petrolheads get triggered)

So was watching a program on Dave about Car wrapping and there was this guy from Switzerland with his RS6 getting a nice bright orange wrap.

Wasn’t you was it?
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