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When can one speed up

I have been wondering. When one is driving down the road here in Switzerland in a lower speed zone and then the sign that indicates that the speed zone is ending, is visible up ahead, when exactly is one allowed to speed up? For example on the autobahn is seems that most cars wait until they are at or past this sign. However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver. Is this also the same here or is there some other rule to follow?

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Re: When can one speed up

I wait until I'm past the sign. I worked on the theory that exceeding the speed limit in the zone you are in is probably still a driving offence, whatever the sign in the distance says. Building up from 60 to 80 only takes a couple of seconds anyway and that's without mashing the peddle.

Better safe than sorry, plus it probably only saves you a nanosecond at your ultimate destination.
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However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver.
No. The sign itself is the demarcation between the two speed zones.
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Re: When can one speed up

Only once you pass the sign.

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I have been wondering. When one is driving down the road here in Switzerland in a lower speed zone and then the sign that indicates that the speed zone is ending, is visible up ahead, when exactly is one allowed to speed up? For example on the autobahn is seems that most cars wait until they are at or past this sign. However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver. Is this also the same here or is there some other rule to follow?
Is it really legal to do that in the US? The sign is quite specific, and just with a normal speed limit sign the new limit is in place as soon as, but not before, you pass the sign. How could it be otherwise?

In practice many folk will start to speed up before it, of course, but beware sneekily placed cameras looking out for just that (although I have to say I've never seen one myself).
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Re: When can one speed up

Exactly where the signal is. Not before and also not after (in case the speed is lowered )

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A road is also not blocked or one-way when you can see the corresponding sign.
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Re: When can one speed up

Exactly at the sign. "Smart" driving is that when you see the sign (and road conditions/traffic allows so) to already prepare for it. ie, if it's lower speed sign, to let the car de-accelerate without breaking, just removing gas, thus saving petrol.

And accelerating very slowly before the sign, especially if you use a tempomat, you can start to set it higher already a few seconds before it (won't immediately go over the still existing speed limit)
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In practice many folk will start to speed up before it, of course, but beware sneekily placed cameras looking out for just that (although I have to say I've never seen one myself).
They did this in both Holland and the UK many years ago, but the other way round, catching people who didn't slow down fully before the sign for a lower speed limit.

Everyone claimed it was sneaky, but the limit starts at the sign.
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Re: When can one speed up

This is a bizarre thread. In no country in the world, including the US, is it legal to exceed the posted speed limit, and the range for which the speed limit is defined ALWAYS starts where the sign is placed. This is so basic, I can't understand why anybody has a problem understanding it!

When you see a stop sign, you have to stop at or before the line painted on the road. Not 5 metres past it.

When you park your car, your tyres have to be inside the box painted on the road. Not 50 cm outside it.

When you pass a speed limit sign, you have to drive at or below that speed.

It really is that simple.
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In practice many folk will start to speed up before it, of course, but beware sneekily placed cameras looking out for just that (although I have to say I've never seen one myself).
I've seen plenty of cameras in Switzerland placed just after a speed limit sign, though, where the new limit is lower than the preceding one. But by the OP's logic, you should be given a few hundred metres to slow down to the new limit, even after passing the new speed limit sign.
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However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver.
In our neck of the woods in northern Michigan, we have those super-hyper-extra-mega-reflective speed signs that you can see two miles ahead at night. And, of course, we also have some of those country roads that go dead straight for more than just two miles.

Of course I cannot read a speed signal two miles ahead, but, assuming I know what it reads, am I allowed to adjust my speed accordingly as soon as I can spot it?
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When you park your car, your tyres have to be inside the box painted on the road. Not 50 cm outside it.
Specially not for more than 10 hours. Or may cost you a fortune in fine and court fee
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I have been wondering. When one is driving down the road here in Switzerland in a lower speed zone and then the sign that indicates that the speed zone is ending, is visible up ahead, when exactly is one allowed to speed up? For example on the autobahn is seems that most cars wait until they are at or past this sign. However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver. Is this also the same here or is there some other rule to follow?

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I have been wondering. When one is driving down the road here in Switzerland in a lower speed zone and then the sign that indicates that the speed zone is ending, is visible up ahead, when exactly is one allowed to speed up? For example on the autobahn is seems that most cars wait until they are at or past this sign. However, I am wondering if one can speed up, like in the US, once the sign is visible to the driver. Is this also the same here or is there some other rule to follow?

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this is actually the case in Switzerland too. you need to apply for the blue E sticker (the expat sticker), which gives you more tolerance for traffic rules as expats are not expected to understand the law.

you need to stick it close to the number plate so that it is visible on the speed camera.
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I've seen plenty of cameras in Switzerland placed just after a speed limit sign, though, where the new limit is lower than the preceding one. But by the OP's logic, you should be given a few hundred metres to slow down to the new limit, even after passing the new speed limit sign.
But! On the motorway leaving Geneva, just after the airport there is a speed camera (in the 100 zone) and then immediately after a reduction in speed to 80kph.

Many (bozos) think the speed at the camera is 80 - they can see the sign just ahead - and slam on the brakes.
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I've seen plenty of cameras in Switzerland placed just after a speed limit sign, though, where the new limit is lower than the preceding one. But by the OP's logic, you should be given a few hundred metres to slow down to the new limit, even after passing the new speed limit sign.
You're right on what the law says both here and in the States.

In practice though, most U.S. drivers act exactly as OP describes - speed up as soon as they see the sign indicating a higher limit, and slow down only after the sign indicating a lower limit. The cops there generally tolerate it too, except when you're just about to leave their revenue zone.
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They did this in both Holland and the UK many years ago, but the other way round, catching people who didn't slow down fully before the sign for a lower speed limit.

Everyone claimed it was sneaky, but the limit starts at the sign.
In the Netherlands there's a distance to be kept for measuring the speed after a sign which announces a lower maximum allowed speed. A sign telling us to go back to 50km/ph has a distance of 140mtrs in which they do not measure, a sign telling us to go back to 60km/ph has a distance of 170mtrs, this has been ruled by the court in Leeuwarden in 2006 and only under very special circumstances are they allowed to check closer to the signs. (Dangerous crossing with no room to place the sign further upfront for example)

So those complaining did not slow down right after the sign anyway.
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In the Netherlands there's a distance to be kept for measuring the speed after a sign which announces a lower maximum allowed speed. A sign telling us to go back to 50km/ph has a distance of 140mtrs in which they do not measure, a sign telling us to go back to 60km/ph has a distance of 170mtrs, this has been ruled by the court in Leeuwarden in 2006 and only under very special circumstances are they allowed to check closer to the signs.
Interesting. I've a feeling that prosecution guidelines in the UK are similarly tolerant, although of course that doesn't change the law itself.
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Interesting. I've a feeling that prosecution guidelines in the UK are similarly tolerant, although of course that doesn't change the law itself.
No. I've seen traps just after speed signs. Very lucrative.
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In our neck of the woods in northern Michigan, we have those super-hyper-extra-mega-reflective speed signs that you can see two miles ahead at night. And, of course, we also have some of those country roads that go dead straight for more than just two miles.

Of course I cannot read a speed signal two miles ahead, but, assuming I know what it reads, am I allowed to adjust my speed accordingly as soon as I can spot it?
Yes, we have those in Australia, too. I reckon you should be able to spot this speed sign about 50 km before you get to it, and drive accordingly...

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