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Fine for running non-homologated tires & wheels?

Hello all,

How much is the fine if the police stops a car running wheels and tires that are not listed in the grey card? Do they give just a fine or they will impound the car too?

I have searched here but my German is kaput :

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html

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Hello all,

How much is the fine if the police stops a car running wheels and tires that are not listed in the grey card? Do they give just a fine or they will impound the car too?

I have searched here but my German is kaput :

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...142/index.html

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It depends.

How un-homologated are they?

If they're the same size/offset etc. as the OEM ones then when the guy asks at the MFK why they aren't eingetragen you can just say "Oh, I didn't know they needed to be. What do I need to do?" and he'll say "Get a CoC for them from the supplier and you're done."

But if you've fitted a set of 20" BigDubs to your Marina, and widened the track to get even better handling, then it won't be quite so simple (or cheap).
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Re: Fine for running non-homologated tires & wheels?

Yes, they pull people over for random checks - surely you've seen them in a coned-off area blocking half the busiest road in your area at rush hour

I don't know what the criteria are - maybe they just pull the next person over when there's space in their queue.

Probably "Is that a monster truck?" gets you on the list as well !
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Re: Fine for running non-homologated tires & wheels?

It does happen, and worse, if they check for example during an accident investigation, it can invalidate your insurance.

I had a long discussion with one admin guy from Service Automobiles, I was surprise to the extend of his knowledge about that and the numerous complications.

I was merely asking about having rims a few mm different from official ones.

In the end, I bought some compliant with specs (I forgot where it's indicated but it is, somewhere, and the authorities can find it easily).

I would have risked it, if I was ignorant. Since it appears "commonly checked" by a few (police, insurance, auto inspection...) I'm no fool!
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Old 22.11.2017, 15:54
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Yes, they pull people over for random checks -
To check the wear on your tires, not whether your wheels are OEM.

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To check the wear on your tires, not whether your wheels are OEM.

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To check the wear on your tires, not whether your wheels are OEM.

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Yes, the standard check is documents, tyres, lights.

I wasn't really replying to the OP, more the "do the police stop cars", although I would be surprised if they didn't flag any blatantly non-specification kit.
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It depends.

How un-homologated are they?

If they're the same size/offset etc. as the OEM ones then when the guy asks at the MFK why they aren't eingetragen you can just say "Oh, I didn't know they needed to be. What do I need to do?" and he'll say "Get a CoC for them from the supplier and you're done."
First, the gray card neither lists tires nor rims. Those information can only be found in the type approval. You can get an extract with the relevant information from most tire dealers. Ask for a "TARGA-Tyre" extract for your car. The police has also access to this database

If the rims are the same size,offset,material as in the type approval you do not have to do anything.

Size of tyres can be varied to some extend w/o any need for special approval as well.

For details see ASA Guideline 2a chapter 4.5.
https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/

If you get stopped with non approved rims tires and you do not have the correct documents with you, your may no longer drive the car and have to pay not only for a taxi but also for the transport of the car on a flatbed truck.
In the best case they either do not notice, or ask to produce the right papers within a week.
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Yes, the standard check is documents, tyres, lights.
At MFK? No always
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First, the gray card neither lists tires nor rims.
If the rims/tires are a different dimension from OEM fitting then yes, it is listed in the grey card.

900: rims (mfr, model, dimension, ET, as well as track front and rear)

990: Tire dimension.

(At least that is how they used to be treated)
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If the rims/tires are a different dimension from OEM fitting then yes, it is listed in the grey card.

900: rims (mfr, model, dimension, ET, as well as track front and rear)

990: Tire dimension.

(At least that is how they used to be treated)
I can confirm that the non OEM winter wheels we bought where added to the grey card, we got in trouble when they where adding the tow bar and noticed the wheels
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If the rims/tires are a different dimension from OEM fitting then yes, it is listed in the grey card.
But the OEM specs are not listed In this respect my tires/rims are not listed in the gray card and neither police nor MFK can do nothing about it as it is all fine and good

So the question "How much is the fine if the police stops a car running wheels and tires that are not listed in the grey card?"

Can be answered the following way:
There is no fine, if rims and tires are according type approval as they are not listed on the gray card.

There is also no fine if the tires are within the permitted range of variation (AFAIK there is no allowed variation for rims).

There might be a fine of up to 10k or up to 3 years of imprisonment plus other costs in case rims/tires, are neither according type approval, nor within permitted size variation, nor listed in the gray card, or the tires have no international approval marking.

Art. 93 Swiss Traffic Code
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a93
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But the OEM specs are not listed In this respect my tires/rims are not listed in the gray card and neither police nor MFK can do nothing about it as it is all fine and good

So the question "How much is the fine if the police stops a car running wheels and tires that are not listed in the grey card?"

Can be answered the following way:
There is no fine, if rims and tires are according type approval as they are not listed on the gray card.

There is also no fine if the tires are within the permitted range of variation (AFAIK there is no allowed variation for rims).

There might be a fine of up to 10k or up to 3 years of imprisonment plus other costs in case rims/tires, are neither according type approval, nor within permitted size variation, nor listed in the gray card.

Art. 93 Swiss Traffic Code
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a93
Not quite.

You are correct that the OEM specs are not listed in the grey card BUT if you fit aftermarket rims, then even if they are the same dimensions as the OEM, then you need to show the MFK inspector a CoC, and they then put that into the grey card (I think they list the dimensions similarly to what I mention above, but not the track, but I can't remember for certain.)

There is certainly no fine if you show up for the MFK with the winter rims you bought at Jumbo and they are the same dimensions as the OEM - all they want is to see a CoC.

But if Capo's Smart ForTwo is running a set of 24" Centerlines, with 3/4" spacers and superwide tires then, well, he'll probably be walking home and paying a fine, hence my "Just how un-homologated?" question.
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Not quite.

You are correct that the OEM specs are not listed in the grey card BUT if you fit aftermarket rims, then even if they are the same dimensions as the OEM, then you need to show the MFK inspector a CoC, and they then put that into the grey card (I think they list the dimensions similarly to what I mention above, but not the track, but I can't remember for certain.
I have to disagree. Neither the information in the ASA 2a https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=60 nor what for example BL MFK says (which is based on the ASA 2a) There is nothing to be shown nor to be put in the gray card.
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I have to disagree. Neither the information in the ASA 2a https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=60 nor what for example BL MFK says (which is based on the ASA 2a) There is nothing to be shown nor to be put in the gray card.
That may be a recent change. About 5 years ago I took a friend's Honda for the MFK while it still had it's (non OEM) winter rims on. The car had only ever been MFK'd with the (OEM) summer rims. The inspector noticed it, asked to see a CoC, and told me to come back when I had one. This caused a bit of a kerfuffel until the Garage she bought it from emailed her a CoC the next day. I went back to Uetliberg, showed the CoC and they amended the grey card. (The winter rims were the same dimensions as the summer ones, so the only issue was that they were aftermarket.)

But I do remember that not that long ago someone said that they were told that all they had to do was carry the CoC with the car's documentation.

But Capo's problem is going to be that he's running Boeing 747 rims on his AMC Pacer.
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Re: Fine for running non-homologated tires & wheels?

IDK, I have been in those random checks before and if they happen this time of the year are they mostly in the line of "see, we are doing something against the home invasions...". They checked the content of the car more than the car itself, quick look if the tire has enough thread and that's about it. But you better don't carry around any tools or you basically have to explain yourself why there'd be a screw driver in your car... yes, seen it happen myself.
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It depends.

How un-homologated are they?

If they're the same size/offset etc. as the OEM ones then when the guy asks at the MFK why they aren't eingetragen you can just say "Oh, I didn't know they needed to be. What do I need to do?" and he'll say "Get a CoC for them from the supplier and you're done."

But if you've fitted a set of 20" BigDubs to your Marina, and widened the track to get even better handling, then it won't be quite so simple (or cheap).
The situation is the following: my wagon, from brand A, came with a rim of X inches. The same wagon could be ordered with a rim that is X +1 inch, virtually maintaining the overall tire diameter (ie., using lower profile tires). However, in the same platform there is a coupe that comes from factory with X + 2 inches, again with almost the same rolling diameter (the combo I am using now).These rims are original equipment from the same brand, have the same offset, the tires have the same width, and the tire profile is such that the rolling diameter will be virtually the same (+1,2% in fact).

Because they are original manufacturer rims, not after market ones, made for the same platform, I think that only if the MFK guy or the police officer is a turd and wants to dig into targa-tyre stuff will he /she be able to check that the rims are not original of the car (I checked a TUV document and indeed the X+2 size is not listed for the wagon). However, being strictly technical, there is nothing wrong on using these rims and the lower profile tires.

That's the reason I want to know the fine in case "I get caught". For MFK purposes I just put in the originals.


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It does happen, and worse, if they check for example during an accident investigation, it can invalidate your insurance.

I had a long discussion with one admin guy from Service Automobiles, I was surprise to the extend of his knowledge about that and the numerous complications.

I was merely asking about having rims a few mm different from official ones.

In the end, I bought some compliant with specs (I forgot where it's indicated but it is, somewhere, and the authorities can find it easily).

I would have risked it, if I was ignorant. Since it appears "commonly checked" by a few (police, insurance, auto inspection...) I'm no fool!
But ensuring that the rims are technically suitable for the cars should not cause problems in case of insurance claims.

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First, the gray card neither lists tires nor rims. Those information can only be found in the type approval. You can get an extract with the relevant information from most tire dealers. Ask for a "TARGA-Tyre" extract for your car. The police has also access to this database

If the rims are the same size,offset,material as in the type approval you do not have to do anything.

Size of tyres can be varied to some extend w/o any need for special approval as well.

For details see ASA Guideline 2a chapter 4.5.
https://asa.ch/it/biblioteca-online/direttive/

If you get stopped with non approved rims tires and you do not have the correct documents with you, your may no longer drive the car and have to pay not only for a taxi but also for the transport of the car on a flatbed truck.
In the best case they either do not notice, or ask to produce the right papers within a week.
Thanks but where is it written that the car is impounded? How much is the fine?

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But the OEM specs are not listed In this respect my tires/rims are not listed in the gray card and neither police nor MFK can do nothing about it as it is all fine and good

So the question "How much is the fine if the police stops a car running wheels and tires that are not listed in the grey card?"

Can be answered the following way:
There is no fine, if rims and tires are according type approval as they are not listed on the gray card.

There is also no fine if the tires are within the permitted range of variation (AFAIK there is no allowed variation for rims).

There might be a fine of up to 10k or up to 3 years of imprisonment plus other costs in case rims/tires, are neither according type approval, nor within permitted size variation, nor listed in the gray card, or the tires have no international approval marking.

Art. 93 Swiss Traffic Code
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a93
Excuse me but I think you went too far... There is no mention about rims. The article in question says clearly that the fine and imprisonment is to "...whoever intentionally compromises the safety of a vehicle, so that it may cause an accident hazard. If the author acts negligently, he is punished by fine."

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I have to disagree. Neither the information in the ASA 2a https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=60 nor what for example BL MFK says (which is based on the ASA 2a) There is nothing to be shown nor to be put in the gray card.
Looks like the answer is on page 56(57) or 60(61), I just need to translate it properly. Thank you very much for the link!

https://asa.ch/wp-content/uploads/we...ndex.html#p=57
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Because they are original manufacturer rims, not after market ones, made for the same platform, I think that only if the MFK guy or the police officer is a turd and wants to dig into targa-tyre stuff will he /she be able to check that the rims are not original of the car (I checked a TUV document and indeed the X+2 size is not listed for the wagon). However, being strictly technical, there is nothing wrong on using these rims and the lower profile tires.
If you come into a technical check they will do and X+2 with lowered aspect ratio is noticeable. Technical checks are rare but they do exists.

Check with manufacturer (either rim or car) if you can get an ASA approved rim certificate which says that the rims are suitable for the car.

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Thanks but where is it written that the car is impounded? How much is the fine?
The fine is as I said up to CHF 10k. This is defined in Art. 106 Swiss Criminal Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a106 It is up to the judge or prosecutor to set the amount. That could be any thing from CHF 10 to CHF 10k. Aditional to the fine there will be a court fee. Which is not a fine in the legal sense, but feels like one as it can be rather high. If expert opinion is needed you will have to pay for that do.

I did not say the car gets impounded, I said you may be no longer allowed to drive the car. It should be logical that only cars which meets the regulation can be used on the road. But it is also defined in Art. 29 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a29. That not the general public should pay for removing the car from the public road should be logical too. As it is not allowed to drive a flatbed will be needed.

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Excuse me but I think you went too far... There is no mention about rims. The article in question says clearly that the fine and imprisonment is to "...whoever intentionally compromises the safety of a vehicle, so that it may cause an accident hazard. If the author acts negligently, he is punished by fine."
No Capo, I did not went to far. The thing is there is no simple fine in such a situation which the police can hand out, there is only one in case the thread depth is to low Item 402 of OBV https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#app1. Also there is no need to mention rims. Art. 93 SVG simply applies in cases a car is not up to standard and regulation. In general (Abs. 2) it is just a fine (which is up to 10k, see above). If the car is used on public roads in such a state (ridiculous stretched tires, tires rubbing on the chassis, or run down tires showing the belt) that others are seriously endangered it can be up to 3 years jail (Abs. 1).

Standard and regulation is defined in the VTS https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...0165/index.htm.
Wheels, tires, and rims are covered in Art. 58 https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a58
As you can see in Art. 219 it back links and references Art. 93 SVG https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a219

The canton Bern prosecutors recommend a fine of CHF 40 in case it is a simple modification for which you would get an approval.
In case I you cannot get an approval? I do not know, may be CHF 300ish?
http://www.justice.be.ch/justice/de/...01.01.2013.pdf

PS: For translation have a look at deepl.com it seems to be better than google translate. Still you will have to either OCR the ASA 2a or type the stuff in.
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