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Car Exportation into EU country

Hello Everybody,

I have reviewed existing threads about my topic, and found a lot of helpful information indeed.

Let me still put up my question here, any answer & help is much apprecipated.


There is a leasing contract for an AUDI vehicle, the contract is owned by the company I work for. The contract is ending next month, and I have the opportunity to buy the car for the residual value.

I would like to take on this opportunity so that I would export this car back to Hungary (preferably doing the paperworks on the German border for better percentages on VAT)

I have made my research regarding the topic and faced the following:

Required stuff:

- Proof of sale (Seller is AUDI Switzerland)
- EUR1 document
- CoC (Certificates of Conformity) > I believe this is not needed since the car is German.
- Swiss Declaration of goods (to get the EUR1 stamped)

EUR1: I need to state the "sender" this would be me as at the time of exportation I will own the vehicle, and the "Receiver". My concern is that if I state a contact (possible new owner in Hungary) with a hungarian address, I will not be eligible to pay the German VAT, but will be forced to pay the hungarian one which is higher. Does any of you have a solution or advise on this one?

The car's current numberplate will be used on the new leasing car the company receives, therefore this AUDI will receive a swiss export numberplate. Do you think it causes any problems, that the car would not have export numberplate straight away of the purchase? (The garage is able to store it for a few days)

Last but not least, do AUDI garage need to give a confirmation to the Strassenverhkehrsamt about the new owner's intention of exportation?

Any help is much apprecipated.

Thank you

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EUR1: I need to state the "sender" this would be me as at the time of exportation I will own the vehicle, and the "Receiver". My concern is that if I state a contact (possible new owner in Hungary) with a hungarian address, I will not be eligible to pay the German VAT, but will be forced to pay the hungarian one which is higher. Does any of you have a solution or advise on this one?
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The car's current numberplate will be used on the new leasing car the company receives, therefore this AUDI will receive a swiss export numberplate. Do you think it causes any problems, that the car would not have export numberplate straight away of the purchase? (The garage is able to store it for a few days)
No, Why? No need for a plate if stored on private property.

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Last but not least, do AUDI garage need to give a confirmation to the Strassenverhkehrsamt about the new owner's intention of exportation?
No. Why? Previous holder simply cancels gray card. It as easy as to go to the Strassenverhkehrsamt and say "Pleas cancel this gray card". To get export plates just bring canceled card and get the export plates.
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Germany has no role in this. You export the car from Switzerland to Hungary, so you pay whatever costs there are for importing the car into Hungary, Germany is only concerned for you having correct papers and insurance if you drive through their country.
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Re: Car Exportation into EU country

Hello, thank you for your answers. Regarding the fact of entering EU in Germany and paying VAT there instead of Hungary, yes I understand and respect your point.

German VAT 19%, Duty Tax 9% (with EUR1 latter is not needed) so total of 19% of the price shown on official proof of sale (from AUDI), which is quite lower than the actual market price.

Hungarian VAT 27%, Duty I believe this is about 11-12%, of the market price! (not the price shown on proof of sale.)

I might look cheap on this, but it does make a huge difference, and is not in any way illegal.

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Hello, thank you for your answers. Regarding the fact of entering EU in Germany and paying VAT there instead of Hungary, yes I understand and respect your point.

German VAT 19%, Duty Tax 9% (with EUR1 latter is not needed) so total of 19% of the price shown on official proof of sale (from AUDI), which is quite lower than the actual market price.

Hungarian VAT 27%, Duty I believe this is about 11-12%, of the market price! (not the price shown on proof of sale.)

I might look cheap on this, but it does make a huge difference, and is not in any way illegal.
Do be legal you'd have to have a residence in Germany and register (and insure) the vehicle there before taking it to Hungary. If you don't have German plates (not just export ones) and documents you'll still be due for the same taxes as taking it direct from CH.

Given that second-hand prices are massively inflated here you'd almost certainly be better off selling it here before you move.
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Hello, thank you for your answers. Regarding the fact of entering EU in Germany and paying VAT there instead of Hungary, yes I understand and respect your point.

German VAT 19%, Duty Tax 9% (with EUR1 latter is not needed) so total of 19% of the price shown on official proof of sale (from AUDI), which is quite lower than the actual market price.

Hungarian VAT 27%, Duty I believe this is about 11-12%, of the market price! (not the price shown on proof of sale.)

I might look cheap on this, but it does make a huge difference, and is not in any way illegal.

Thanks
Nice story, it only lacks the fact that you do not import the car to Germany but to Hungary, if we forget about that small meaningless detail your solution will work great.

I'd say, go for it.
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Given that second-hand prices are massively inflated here you'd almost certainly be better off selling it here before you move.
Even better would be to not buy the car at all.
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Nice story, it only lacks the fact that you do not import the car to Germany but to Hungary, if we forget about that small meaningless detail your solution will work great.

I'd say, go for it.
Yes, but you forgot the fact that I wouldn't import to Germany, but to the European Union. Therefore this applies:

"A free-trade area is the region encompassing a trade bloc whose member countries have signed a free-trade agreement (FTA). Such agreements involve cooperation between at least two countries to reduce trade barriers – import quotas and tariffs – and to increase trade of goods and services with each other."

Keeping this in mind, we basically import to EU, and one is obliged to pay the necessary duties, and VAT on the first border entering the EU.

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Yes, but you forgot the fact that I wouldn't import to Germany, but to the European Union. Therefore this applies:

"A free-trade area is the region encompassing a trade bloc whose member countries have signed a free-trade agreement (FTA). Such agreements involve cooperation between at least two countries to reduce trade barriers – import quotas and tariffs – and to increase trade of goods and services with each other."

Keeping this in mind, we basically import to EU, and one is obliged to pay the necessary duties, and VAT on the first border entering the EU.
I do not feel like spending more time in trying to convince you on how stupid your plan is. 3 People told you this does not work, if that is not enough than do not waste our time.
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Yes, but you forgot the fact that I wouldn't import to Germany, but to the European Union.
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Yes, but you forgot the fact that I wouldn't import to Germany, but to the European Union. Therefore this applies:

"A free-trade area is the region encompassing a trade bloc whose member countries have signed a free-trade agreement (FTA). Such agreements involve cooperation between at least two countries to reduce trade barriers – import quotas and tariffs – and to increase trade of goods and services with each other."

Keeping this in mind, we basically import to EU, and one is obliged to pay the necessary duties, and VAT on the first border entering the EU.

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Gents, I think this guy is right. I am in the process of exporting (or trying to) export my car in Poland (selling it cheap to a family member). The tax office mentioned there is a fine for not exporting it (paperwork) on the first EU country after the Swiss borders.
Also, they have additional taxes, not in Germany and since it's also a German car, it simplifies the export process (or import into EU).

That's all I collected so far.
And yes, it appears dumb financially, seems better to sell it in Switzerland from a purely financial point of view.
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Gents, I think this guy is right. I am in the process of exporting (or trying to) export my car in Poland (selling it cheap to a family member). The tax office mentioned there is a fine for not exporting it (paperwork) on the first EU country after the Swiss borders.
Also, they have additional taxes, not in Germany and since it's also a German car, it simplifies the export process (or import into EU).
Doing the paperwork is just declaring And as you say you must do this regularly at the point of entry (exception may apply). And as it goes into the EU it is part of the Import process, not Export . The other part of the process is to pay tax and duty assessed.

Important for deliveries from outside of the EU is the final destination of the goods. I suspect you will be asked at the German border where the final destination will be and then given the appropriate documents so you can further transport the car. Where and how you will have to pay tax and duty is a good questions.

If you really want profit from the lower German tax and duty rates you will need a middleman in Germany which initially buys and receives the goods and then sells it to the guy in the other EU country. It is important that the middleman is a private person. Registration of the in Germany may be needed but I think that would be optional. Nevertheless it could life easier and less question asked if you register the car in an other EU country when it has German papers.
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And yes, it appears dumb financially, seems better to sell it in Switzerland from a purely financial point of view.
He has not even bought the car yet
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If you really want profit from the lower German tax and duty rates you will need a middleman in Germany which initially buys and receives the goods and then sells it to the guy in the other EU country. It is important that the middleman is a private person. Registration of the in Germany may be needed but I think that would be optional. Nevertheless it could life easier and less question asked if you register the car in an other EU country when it has German papers.
It is also very important to check upfront what duty's/taxes are involved in bringing a car from Germany to Hungary when going this route. I am unaware of the rules in Hungary, but bringing a car from Germany to the Netherlands easily gives thousands of extra to pay on taxes.
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It is also very important to check upfront what duty's/taxes are involved in bringing a car from Germany to Hungary when going this route. I am unaware of the rules in Hungary, but bringing a car from Germany to the Netherlands easily gives thousands of extra to pay on taxes.
But you would have to pay the very same Netherlands BPM regardless if the car comes from Switzerland directly or through Germany.
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But you would have to pay the very same Netherlands BPM regardless if the car comes from Switzerland directly or through Germany.
Yes that is exactly what I ment, and thus it would deem the German route stupid since the extra costs have to be paid anyway. Hungary might have other rules making it stupid nonetheless, or making it actually worth it to have the car in Germany for some months first. Which is why one always need to check the local rules and the implications of having a country in between.
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Yes that is exactly what I ment, and thus it would deem the German route stupid since the extra costs have to be paid anyway. Hungary might have other rules making it stupid nonetheless, or making it actually worth it to have the car in Germany for some months first. Which is why one always need to check the local rules and the implications of having a country in between.
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It is also very important to check upfront what duty's/taxes are involved in bringing a car from Germany to Hungary when going this route. I am unaware of the rules in Hungary, but bringing a car from Germany to the Netherlands easily gives thousands of extra to pay on taxes.
Hallo Edwin,

Ik ben aan het zoeken voor informatie over auto-export van Zwitserland naar NL. Ik heb een speciale Saab gevonden die ik graag naar NL wil halen (met een autoambulance). Het is de eerste keer en hoewel ik het proces in Zwitserland nog niet helemaal doorzie, begrijp ik nu dat ik direct weer moet 'declaren' in Duitsland? Of kan ik door naar NL? Heb jij ervaring met het exporteren van auto's?


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Hallo Edwin,

Ik ben aan het zoeken voor informatie over auto-export van Zwitserland naar NL. Ik heb een speciale Saab gevonden die ik graag naar NL wil halen (met een autoambulance). Het is de eerste keer en hoewel ik het proces in Zwitserland nog niet helemaal doorzie, begrijp ik nu dat ik direct weer moet 'declaren' in Duitsland? Of kan ik door naar NL? Heb jij ervaring met het exporteren van auto's?


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You might want to translate this, not everyone speaks Dutch and this is the ENGLISH forum after all.
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I'm sorry, so stupid. I want to send a PM, but made a fault and just replied to this thread. I cannot remove it.

I wanted to ask for experiences for exporting a car to Holland. A have a CvO, but not yet a EUR1 and albeit my German language is not bad, the customs website of Switzerland is not easy.
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