Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07.12.2017, 22:38
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Failed MFK, how to pass?

Today I failed my MFK inspection for the following reasons:

6. Schlauch - alle Reninigen (?), prüfen ppl es. (??) - how do you clean a brake line? just wash off? or do they really expect all of them to be replaced?
7. Bremsscheibe - Hi komplett blau -> er - this part is self-explanatory, need new rear rotors
37. Motor - Schubumluftventil -> nicht original - previous owner installed an aftermarket BOV, I don't have the original
38. Antreibswelle Manschette - V.L. aussen, Bride fehlt undicht

When I asked for an explanation what each of these meant, all I was told to go to a Garage and they will fix it for you. Not really helpful.

I am leaving on Christmas vacation in a week, so instead of the usual 14 work days to get it fixed, I have 5. Of course they don't give a shit about it.

For parts, it seems like I am stuck ordering from the dealer. I am not able to find parts for my car online on any of the parts stores. The car is a Mazda 3 MPS in case anyone is wondering.

Will your average garage be willing to work on the car on short notice if you show up with a bunch of parts? I would really prefer buying my own parts, as I am sure the garages will charge even more for the parts and/or have trouble locating them. Can someone recommend a garage in the Zurich area that won't charge the entire value of the car for this work?

Should I go over the border to Germany? Say to Singen or Konstanz and find a shop there to install the parts? Will this save much money?

Can someone please give me some tips for getting this done on a budget without getting taken for a ride by the garages? There are just way too many stories on this forum about this happening.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank clawhammer for this useful post:
The following 3 users groan at clawhammer for this post:
  #2  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:11
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Luzern
Posts: 190
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 202 Times in 75 Posts
MarKanLu has earned some respectMarKanLu has earned some respect
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

I am not an expert, but if you want to try and coordinate the repairs by yourself, perhaps the best bet is to book an MFK pre-test (MFK-Vortest) at a TCS technical center. The point of the pre-test is to let you know what is wrong with your car before the actual inspection, so that you have time to prepare. People there are helpful and will answer your questions.

Regarding the "Schubumluftventil", if you can find the "type certificate" from the website of the manufacturer, and if indeed your car type is listed in there as "compatible", then it is fine. They will just add a remark on your card.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:12
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post

Regarding the "Schubumluftventil", if you can find the "type certificate" from the website of the manufacturer, and if indeed your car type is listed in there as "compatible", then it is fine. They will just add a remark on your card.
The guy specifically said that there is no such certificate for BOV valves, and I will simply have to buy a new one from the dealer.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:28
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 7,622
Groaned at 63 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 11,023 Times in 4,991 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
6. Schlauch - alle Reninigen (?), prüfen ppl es. (??) - how do you clean a brake line? just wash off? or do they really expect all of them to be replaced?
7. Bremsscheibe - Hi komplett blau -> er - this part is self-explanatory, need new rear rotors
37. Motor - Schubumluftventil -> nicht original - previous owner installed an aftermarket BOV, I don't have the original
38. Antreibswelle Manschette - V.L. aussen, Bride fehlt undicht

When I asked for an explanation what each of these meant, all I was told to go to a Garage and they will fix it for you. Not really helpful..
Why should they explain and waste their time when all is stated in clear plain German

6. Take a damp towel and clean them, maybe use some motorbike wash lotion. Then inspect and if needed replace them.
38. Sleeve clamp of front left drive sleeve is missing, does not seal.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:28
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 6,036
Groaned at 41 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 11,338 Times in 4,478 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Today I failed my MFK inspection for the following reasons:

6. Schlauch - alle Reninigen (?), prüfen ppl es. (??) - how do you clean a brake line? just wash off? or do they really expect all of them to be replaced?
7. Bremsscheibe - Hi komplett blau -> er - this part is self-explanatory, need new rear rotors
37. Motor - Schubumluftventil -> nicht original - previous owner installed an aftermarket BOV, I don't have the original
38. Antreibswelle Manschette - V.L. aussen, Bride fehlt undicht

When I asked for an explanation what each of these meant, all I was told to go to a Garage and they will fix it for you. Not really helpful.

I am leaving on Christmas vacation in a week, so instead of the usual 14 work days to get it fixed, I have 5. Of course they don't give a shit about it.

For parts, it seems like I am stuck ordering from the dealer. I am not able to find parts for my car online on any of the parts stores. The car is a Mazda 3 MPS in case anyone is wondering.

Will your average garage be willing to work on the car on short notice if you show up with a bunch of parts? I would really prefer buying my own parts, as I am sure the garages will charge even more for the parts and/or have trouble locating them. Can someone recommend a garage in the Zurich area that won't charge the entire value of the car for this work?

Should I go over the border to Germany? Say to Singen or Konstanz and find a shop there to install the parts? Will this save much money?

Can someone please give me some tips for getting this done on a budget without getting taken for a ride by the garages? There are just way too many stories on this forum about this happening.
Their job isn't to be helpful. They often are, but given the sense of entitlement I read between the lines of your post, and the presumption that you don't speak a word of German I'm not surprised that they were disinclined to make an exception.

Try wandering into some shop and demand in English that they fix your car on short notice, with parts that you've sourced, for some fixed low price - you never know, it might just work.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:29
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 1,945
Groaned at 114 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,850 Times in 936 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

5 days is really short notice, especially since we are just days ahead of Christmas and a lot of people have their cars fixed/checked for the holidays, and you also need to be able to make an appointment to have it tested again.

If you want to show up at a garage with the parts in your hand it is to wonder if they can do it on such short term (you lose days already before having the parts in your hand, and ordering online is to hope they even arrive within 5 days)

I would take the loss since you went to the test very late already and just go to a garage with the paper and try to make an appointment asap, it is not the cheapest method possible, but renting a car for the holiday is even more expensive.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:30
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
38. Sleeve clamp of front left drive sleeve is missing, does not seal.
If that's all it is, any idea who can just put a clamp on it, without having to replace the entire axle? This axle costs $400 in the US list price, so I imagine it will be even more expensive here.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:33
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 1,945
Groaned at 114 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,850 Times in 936 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Try wandering into some shop and demand in English that they fix your car on short notice, with parts that you've sourced, for some fixed low price - you never know, it might just work.
I think negotiations on the price stop the moment OP says "I will bring the car on Wednesday bring my own parts and need it back latest the next morning.."
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank EdwinNL for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:34
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 6,036
Groaned at 41 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 11,338 Times in 4,478 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I think negotiations on the price stop the moment OP says "I will bring the car on Wednesday bring my own parts and need it back latest the next morning.."
Perhaps I was being optimistic & don't know much about cars, or mechanics.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:35
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 7,622
Groaned at 63 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 11,023 Times in 4,991 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
If that's all it is, any idea who can just put a clamp on it, without having to replace the entire axle?
Anyone. The part costs not more than a few francs.
http://t4-wiki.de/wiki/Datei:Fahrwer...mmschellen.jpg
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:36
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
5 days is really short notice, especially since we are just days ahead of Christmas and a lot of people have their cars fixed/checked for the holidays, and you also need to be able to make an appointment to have it tested again.
I understood that I can just show up Monday - Friday between 11:20 and 11:40 without an appointment. The translation on the back of the paper also seems to indicate the same.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:37
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Anyone. The part costs not more than a few francs.
http://t4-wiki.de/wiki/Datei:Fahrwer...mmschellen.jpg

I don't know how that works, but are they able to do this with the axle still in the car?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:38
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 5,090
Groaned at 53 Times in 48 Posts
Thanked 5,261 Times in 2,805 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I am not an expert, but if you want to try and coordinate the repairs by yourself, perhaps the best bet is to book an MFK pre-test (MFK-Vortest) at a TCS technical center. The point of the pre-test is to let you know what is wrong with your car before the actual inspection, so that you have time to prepare. People there are helpful and will answer your questions......
Why would OP do a pretest after already having failed the real test?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:38
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Their job isn't to be helpful. They often are, but given the sense of entitlement I read between the lines of your post, and the presumption that you don't speak a word of German I'm not surprised that they were disinclined to make an exception.
I can't say that he even tried to be helpful. The entire time I spoke German with him. All I asked him for was to point to the parts that he marked, so at least I know what they are. He wouldn't even do that, he said he didn't have time.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:40
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 1,945
Groaned at 114 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,850 Times in 936 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Perhaps I was being optimistic & don't know much about cars, or mechanics.
Problem is that OP is in need, and needs this fixed on short term. The moment a garage will sense this, they would be stupid to lower the price, it's not that OP will drive around the whole day and try out garages to see which one is the cheapest, he simply lacks the time for such. And mostly they can/will play some with the profit on the parts, but to lower the hourly rates for someone who brings his own parts and needs all fixed on very short term would be a very rare happening.

(I have no clue at all if you know a lot or next to nothing about cars)
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:40
aSwissInTheUS's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Zurich area
Posts: 7,622
Groaned at 63 Times in 57 Posts
Thanked 11,023 Times in 4,991 Posts
aSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond reputeaSwissInTheUS has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I can't say that he even tried to be helpful. The entire time I spoke German with him. All I asked him for was to point to the parts that he marked, so at least I know what they are. He wouldn't even do that, he said he didn't have time.
Would have been a waste of time anyway . I gave you a picture with arrows pointing to the relevant part and you still do not know what it is.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:41
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I think negotiations on the price stop the moment OP says "I will bring the car on Wednesday bring my own parts and need it back latest the next morning.."
I read many posts on the forum regarding being ripped off by garages. I am just looking for ways to protect myself and avoid certain situations. I have no problem paying their full hourly rate, and paying for work performed. I just don't want to be way overcharged for parts, unnecessary work performed, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:41
JagWaugh's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Eglisau
Posts: 6,036
Groaned at 41 Times in 40 Posts
Thanked 11,338 Times in 4,478 Posts
JagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond reputeJagWaugh has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I can't say that he even tried to be helpful. The entire time I spoke German with him. All I asked him for was to point to the parts that he marked, so at least I know what they are. He wouldn't even do that, he said he didn't have time.
There's that sense of entitlement again.


It's
...
not
...
his
...
job.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank JagWaugh for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:42
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Zurich
Posts: 50
Groaned at 3 Times in 1 Post
Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts
clawhammer has slipped a little
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
Would have been a waste of time anyway . I gave you a picture with arrows pointing to the relevant part and you still do not know what it is.
Thank you for that! I think your post alone saved me a few hundred francs. My game plan was to just order the entire drive shaft from the dealer.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07.12.2017, 23:42
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 1,945
Groaned at 114 Times in 84 Posts
Thanked 1,850 Times in 936 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Failed MFK, how to pass?

Quote:
View Post
I don't know how that works, but are they able to do this with the axle still in the car?
There are models that can just be put on without any work on the axle, I have no clue what is on the market for your car, or what is allowed in Switzerland on this.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Failed 2 MFK's - whats the score bigblue2 Transportation/driving 34 22.07.2016 12:05
How to know when my MFK is due? eric_c Transportation/driving 3 06.08.2013 19:46
Failed MFK varioplus Transportation/driving 6 15.09.2012 05:26
how to buy golden pass ticket cherry123 Travel/day trips/free time 2 12.01.2011 15:00


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 16:28.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0