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Geminder 28.01.2018 19:30

How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Suppose they send a bill here demanding payment

What can they realistically do if it is not paid?

I wasn't aware of any such reciprocal agreements between the UK and CH for such matters

Chuff 28.01.2018 19:52

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminder (Post 2903142)
Suppose they send a bill here demanding payment

What can they realistically do if it is not paid?

I wasn't aware of any such reciprocal agreements between the UK and CH for such matters

How much is it?

Geminder 28.01.2018 20:21

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Well in percentage terms it's high relative to the charge

But given that it's not a serious driving offence and given that Switzerland is not in EU, what can they do?

Guest 28.01.2018 20:24

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminder (Post 2903173)
Well in percentage terms it's high relative to the charge

But given that it's not a serious driving offence and given that Switzerland is not in EU, what can they do?

Nothing.

roegner 28.01.2018 20:58

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Just onīt go back to the UK :)

Pachyderm 28.01.2018 21:04

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Why not just pay it, or is that too simple a suggestion?

Guest 28.01.2018 22:23

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2903193)
Just onīt go back to the UK :)

I don't reckon even that would be an issue. This sort of charge would likely be a civil matter rather than a criminal one so it would be improbable for it to ever end up being linked with somebody's passport. The UK isn't Switzerland and is woefully ill-equipped to chase up fines like this.

The likeliest case is that they'll eventually sell the debt on to some European debt collection agency, and then the OP can tell them to piss off too when they come knocking.

The UK can't even collect tens of thousands in student loans from individuals living across Europe, so you can't expect them to manage with a simple fine.

empeppa 28.01.2018 23:14

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Are you in a swiss registered car? How do they find your swiss address?

yacek 28.01.2018 23:34

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Don't worry, they can, because of some agreements between CH and EU.
The French were able to send a fine of about EUR30 just fine, and Italy is able to do the same.
Don't know about the enforcement, though.

Blueangel 28.01.2018 23:52

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Conflicting info on this one. Simple answer is, yes they can pursue you, but it doesn't look like they're too successful at doing this.

Quote:

Highways England said non-payment was being followed up in the UK and abroad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-40996859

NotAllThere 29.01.2018 07:10

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by yacek (Post 2903244)
Don't worry, they can, because of some agreements between CH and EU.
The French were able to send a fine of about EUR30 just fine, and Italy is able to do the same.
Don't know about the enforcement, though.


I understood that France, Italy and German can do this for traffic fines easily, but the UK can't. Perhaps because those countries signed up to some EU thing and the UK didn't, or perhaps the agreement was made country to country.

There is however an EU/CH wide mechanism for recovering debt generally. First you get a judgement in a UK court, then you bring it to Switzerland and ask a CH court to enforce it.

Chuff 29.01.2018 07:32

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminder (Post 2903173)
Well in percentage terms it's high relative to the charge

But given that it's not a serious driving offence and given that Switzerland is not in EU, what can they do?

Ok... so how much is it?

robBob 29.01.2018 08:59

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Wouldn't wait too long!

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Mica 29.01.2018 09:11

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Here is an overview of the enforcement of "traffic fines" of various neighbouring contries of Switzerland:
https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/e...enverkehr.html

aSwissInTheUS 29.01.2018 09:53

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mica (Post 2903285)
Here is an overview of the enforcement of "traffic fines" of various neighbouring contries of Switzerland:
https://www.fedpol.admin.ch/fedpol/e...enverkehr.html

But is a toll charge, even when elevated, a traffic fine (which would put it in criminal and administrative law) or is it a contractual obligation (which would put it in civil law) ?

If it is the later it can be persuaded just like any other unpaid bill. But with one important detail: A traffic fine can be issued against the holder of the vehicle, whereas as a claim from a contractual obligation must go to the offending party.

Urs Max 29.01.2018 15:45

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2903303)
But is a toll charge, even when elevated, a traffic fine (which would put it in criminal and administrative law) or is it a contractual obligation (which would put it in civil law) ?

If it is the later it can be persuaded just like any other unpaid bill. But with one important detail: A traffic fine can be issued against the holder of the vehicle, whereas as a claim from a contractual obligation must go to the offending party.

Not paying the charge in time results in what they call a fine (up to Ģ108 at Dartford Crossing, TYVM), which in turn implies administrative law to me. However this is the UK, their approach may differ.

Geminder 31.01.2018 21:49

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
it looks like if you pay early (within x days) it is lower
otherwise it's ~100EUR per ride :)

Regarding speeding tickets, as far as I know CH has reciprocal agreements with all neighbouring countries and they are enforceable.

The UK should've signed up to some EU wide reciprocal agreement on fines but as usual as failed to properly do anything

http://etsc.eu/faq-eu-cross-border-e...ent-directive/
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8. Are all the 28 countries of the EU taking part?

Previously only 25 of the 28 EU countries are taking part. However due to the ECJ ruling, Denmark, Ireland and UK are affected by the change in legal basis as the Directive will now also be extended to them with a later deadline of May 2017.


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http://www.itv.com/news/2017-01-26/u...r-one-way-law/


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No real updates unless anyone else can find it


Anyway there is a european debt collection agency assigned to collect these, but I fail to see that they could do anything in CH


It is more the thing of any potential bother back in the UK

curley 31.01.2018 23:24

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2903303)
But is a toll charge, even when elevated, a traffic fine (which would put it in criminal and administrative law) or is it a contractual obligation (which would put it in civil law) ?

If it is the later it can be persuaded just like any other unpaid bill. But with one important detail: A traffic fine can be issued against the holder of the vehicle, whereas as a claim from a contractual obligation must go to the offending party.

Nope, it's probably gonna be changed into trespassing :rofl:

As OP refuses to mention how high the fine is, you folks are probably discussing Ģ50 (what's that? sFr. 65.00?). :rolleyes:

moggy 31.01.2018 23:32

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminder (Post 2903142)
Suppose they send a bill here demanding payment

What can they realistically do if it is not paid?

I wasn't aware of any such reciprocal agreements between the UK and CH for such matters

Separately to all other replies to your post so far, how do you know about this or how did they find you to let you know. If a car hire, maybe they have your credit card details or like to charge it.

if your own private car, different matter.

Geminder 01.02.2018 20:52

Re: How enforceable is non payment of a UK toll charge?
 
Private car...dunno, the Swiss obviously selling your data to the highest bidder!

is that legal?


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