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Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

Hi all,


I was driving this morning in Pully-Lausnane and came across a road where there was a solid white line in front of me, then a junction to my right for cars pulling on to the same road, then traffic lights (on red) and another solid white line after this junction.


There is a similar one in Neuchatel (near Les Brasseurs for those who know the area) and I always stop at the white line if any cars are turning on to the road, but go ahead to the second line (next to the traffic lights) if there are no cars.


This morning in Pully, I stopped at the first solid line, saw there were no cars incoming, and continued to the second solid line (next to lights) and waited for green...is this the correct thing to do?


The road is here: https://goo.gl/maps/U6nC6SEofFk


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Old 26.02.2018, 10:25
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

I think your interpretation is correct, it's a warning not to block access to the side street - more for vehicles turning in front of you to go onto the street, not sure about for vehicles joining your road.

You also see it apparently randomly painted on other roads where there is known to be standing traffic that blocks side streets.

It's a bit odd because normally it would mean STOP or DO NOT CROSS, which is a bit awkward when it's painted across your lane.

And it doesn't seem to be mentioned in any of the summaries of the regulations (e.g. https://www.tcs.ch/mam/Digital-Media...nsignale_1.pdf).
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Old 26.02.2018, 10:27
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

You are correct.

But I have to say this is a very odd junction as there appear to be no other signs (like a triangle for give-way, or a stop sign)...
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Old 26.02.2018, 10:59
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

Thanks a lot! Gotta love this forum


It was indeed a bit weird without any signs, the lights were just so far away that I couldn't imagine they applied for that first line.
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

That's exactly what I do so I'm glad I was doing the right thing, admittedly the one in Neuchâtel is the only one that I've actually used.
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

Here's one just on a street - no signals or anything:

https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.23788.../data=!3m1!1e3

The traffic on that side is frequently tailed back, plus there's the pedestrian crossing - but further down there's one without a crossing:

https://www.google.ch/maps/@47.23711.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

So, basically I would expect to see a STOP sign next to the white line...
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

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So, basically I would expect to see a STOP sign next to the white line...
what do you mean?

Since there is no stop sign I don't see what you're trying to say...
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what do you mean?

Since there is no stop sign I don't see what you're trying to say...
Me neither, this line only serves one function and this that if you have to stop/wait one must do so without crossing this line. Since there is no stop sign, stopping is not mandatory and one is allowed to drive on without stopping when traffic allows this. In this situation it serves to me the function of making sure oncoming traffic does not get blocked from them turning left.

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It's a bit odd because normally it would mean STOP or DO NOT CROSS, which is a bit awkward when it's painted across your lane.
The line on the ground says: Stop here in case you have to stop/halt so that you do not block the intersection, tracks etc.

So this line can be seen: Next to a stop sign, a traffic light, railway level crossing, where you cross tram tracks, or you might block an outlet, etc....

There is a lengthy discussion on this topic some where. Mods please find and merge

Edit: Here the other threead https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...s-streets.html
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

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what do you mean?

Since there is no stop sign I don't see what you're trying to say...
That there should also be a STOP sign next to the white line
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That there should also be a STOP sign next to the white line
Only if stopping is demanded which in this situation is not the case.
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

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Only if stopping is demanded which in this situation is not the case.
nice to know, so in this case its not always mandatory, only if some car is coming out from the other street...
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Only if stopping is demanded which in this situation is not the case.
A copper once explained to me that if it's a solid white line you have to come to a standstill before proceeding.

Dotted line means to "give way" ("yield" in US), and you can keep rolling so long as it's clear.

Obviously most people keep rolling even if there's a solid line but if you get pulled over, that would be the reason why.

It's the same at junctions / intersections in the UK, at least.
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Re: Rules on solid white line well before traffic lights?

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A copper once explained to me that if it's a solid white line you have to come to a standstill before proceeding.

Dotted line means to "give way" ("yield" in US), and you can keep rolling so long as it's clear.

Obviously most people keep rolling even if there's a solid line but if you get pulled over, that would be the reason why.

It's the same at junctions / intersections in the UK, at least.
That copper does not know the law, or the question was about a situation not equal to the one as given in the OP.

ASwissInTheUs already linked to this topic: https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...s-streets.html which has solved this exact same discussion earlier, all relevant laws are linked and explained in it.
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That copper does not know the law, or the question was about a situation not equal to the one as given in the OP.

ASwissInTheUs already linked to this topic: https://www.englishforum.ch/transpor...s-streets.html which has solved this exact same discussion earlier, all relevant laws are linked and explained in it.
Eh? I basically wrote what the OP said at the top, which everyone agreed with, and concurs with ASITUS's links. Was just chiming in with what I'd been told by a policeman.

Maybe you read my post wrong?
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nice to know, so in this case its not always mandatory, only if some car is coming out from the other street...
Or if there are cars in front of the pedestrian crossing a few meters ahead so you cannot proceed directly after crossing the line, it is illegal to stop directly after this line since blocking another lane is not allowed.
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nice to know, so in this case its not always mandatory, only if some car is coming out from the other street...
Depends. Do they have priority from the right? Then yes. If not, you can pass if you will not block the intersection.
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Eh? I basically wrote what the OP said at the top, which everyone agreed with, and concurs with ASITUS's links. Was just chiming in with what I'd been told by a policeman.

Maybe you read my post wrong?
Nope, I did not read it wrong since I gave two options and since according to you the same has been asked as in the OP it is option one: Copper does not know the law.
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Nope, I did not read it wrong since I gave two options and since according to you the same has been asked as in the OP it is option one: Copper does not know the law.
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