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Electric Car Charging Point-Who pays?

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Has anyone who is renting an apartment had an electric car charging point installed and did you have to contribute towards installation costs? Trying to sort this out with my landlord.
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if you ask for it then you pay.
if the landlord installs it without you asking for it, he pays.
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Has anyone who is renting an apartment had an electric car charging point installed and did you have to contribute towards installation costs? Trying to sort this out with my landlord.
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Why would the landlord pay anything, if everybody needed 63A 3 phase, then the costs will be huge.
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You install, you pay. (And if demanded pay for removal when you leave.)
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You wanna dance, you gotta pay the band.
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Old 06.03.2018, 10:35
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Has anyone who is renting an apartment had an electric car charging point installed and did you have to contribute towards installation costs? Trying to sort this out with my landlord.
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why would anyone think they wouldn't have to pay for this?
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Has anyone who is renting an apartment had an electric car charging point installed and did you have to contribute towards installation costs? Trying to sort this out with my landlord.
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Hi Elly,
I asked my landlord about the possibility of installing the charger before I bought the electric car and he was very helpful actually. He arranged for the electric company to come and check the options out in our shared garage and give us a quote. The landlord eventually paid 100% of the installation costs without even asking us to contribute (if we leave the flat the charger stays). I guess it depends on each landlord.
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Re: Electric Car Charging Point-Who pays?

Would be nice if Elly would shed some more light on how the exact situation is.
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Hi Elly,
I asked my landlord about the possibility of installing the charger before I bought the electric car and he was very helpful actually. He arranged for the electric company to come and check the options out in our shared garage and give us a quote. The landlord eventually paid 100% of the installation costs without even asking us to contribute (if we leave the flat the charger stays). I guess it depends on each landlord.
Nice to read about a forward-thinking landlord. It's not going to be too long before most parking spaces in a rented garage will have a charger as standard.

There will be people on this forum bemoaning the fact that they have to share a car charging point in the same way as people now moan about shared washing machines.
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Nice to read about a forward-thinking landlord. It's not going to be too long before most parking spaces in a rented garage will have a charger as standard.

There will be people on this forum bemoaning the fact that they have to share a car charging point in the same way as people now moan about shared washing machines.
I think that will take decades at least. The installation in a larger building (let's say 20 apartments can easily handle 2 or 3 charging spots. but when all spots will get a charger the cable into the building and the installations itself are not sufficient, so either the charging gets reduced to low and slow amounts or huge investments have to be made. And if most buildings in the street would do so the main cable in the street would be to thin, and if a lot of streets would do so the area transformer including its supply cable do not have enough capacity, investments would be enormous. Current grid (and production) just does not allow large scale electrical driving.
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I think that will take decades at least. The installation in a larger building (let's say 20 apartments can easily handle 2 or 3 charging spots. but when all spots will get a charger the cable into the building and the installations itself are not sufficient, so either the charging gets reduced to low and slow amounts or huge investments have to be made. And if most buildings in the street would do so the main cable in the street would be to thin, and if a lot of streets would do so the area transformer including its supply cable do not have enough capacity, investments would be enormous. Current grid (and production) just does not allow large scale electrical driving.
You're assuming that batteries/electric motors and charging technology won't improve in the next few years.
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why would anyone think they wouldn't have to pay for this?
And who pays for the electricity?

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And who pays for the electricity?

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In my case, the landlord paid fully for the charger installation (which is installed in my own parking space). Only I can use it and I pay fully for the electricity consumption....(next to nothing as it costs circa 1chf to charge the car fully with night rates!)
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You're assuming that batteries/electric motors and charging technology won't improve in the next few years.
I am stating that the grid as it currently is cannot supply enough power to allow large scale introduction of charging stations/electrical driving.

Batteries are no issue in this since the development is about how much they can contain, their size and how quickly they can take in and give out their power, electrical motors hardly can be more sufficient than they already are, the same principle has been used for them for over a century and their efficiency already is for decades way over 90%, and for years already up to 98%, so there is hardly anything to gain there. And every watt of power released by the engine has to go into the battery which has to be supplied by the grid. So the cars themselves only might offer a small reduction in power needed due to improving already used systems like catching power that is released when breaking, and by weight loss of the battery (nothing to be expected there the next two decades which could be rolled out to the consumer market.)

And charging technology? what can be improved on such? A KW needed by the car has to be supplied by the charging station, smart charging might reduce peak loads but that's it.
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In my case, the landlord paid fully for the charger installation (which is installed in my own parking space). Only I can use it and I pay fully for the electricity consumption....(next to nothing as it costs circa 1chf to charge the car fully with night rates!)
But you charge a car which is all but having an empty battery, a franc at night would give you roughly 7 to 8 KWH which is less than half of the capacity of an VW E-Up. So I would not say you charge the car fully.

(and please do not ask me why this would be relevant..)
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But you charge a car which is all but having an empty battery, a franc at night would give you roughly 7 to 8 KWH which is less than half of the capacity of an VW E-Up. So I would not say you charge the car fully.

(and please do not ask me why this would be relevant..)
Most people don't need to charge their car fully.

They would be rather foolish to let the battery get to almost zero before charging it, wouldn't they?
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Most people don't need to charge their car fully.

They would be rather foolish to let the battery get to almost zero before charging it, wouldn't they?
I was responding to him saying that he did a "fully charge", so I refrain from answering your rhetorical question
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Oh come on Edwin, he obviously meant he charged it to full capacity, not that he charged it from 0-100%. I can't decide if you simply suffer from low contextual and emotional awareness, of if you really are one of the forums most anal and pedantic twits.
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I am stating that the grid as it currently is cannot supply enough power to allow large scale introduction of charging stations/electrical driving.


And charging technology? what can be improved on such? A KW needed by the car has to be supplied by the charging station, smart charging might reduce peak loads but that's it.
Might? It will.

No doubt they'll be some facility that will prevent charging at home, at peak times, when people have the kettle on or they're using those halogen hobs to reheat their packet rosti or heat their fondue.
Cars will start charging in the middle of the night -when most people are asleep and not using their electricity.

For people who need to charge at these times, they'll probably have to use a forecourt-type fast charging station on their way back from work.


Home charges will also have intelligence so they won't charge the car if too many other appliances are on - and these other high-usage appliances will also be intelligent (they already are in parts in Germany and are linked to smart meters)

It's not rocket science.
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Re: Electric Car Charging Point-Who pays?

This thread triggered flashbacks to one of our Quartier's more unpleasant owner's association bun fights.

If you have a shared garage with shared costs of any kind, in addition to the question of who pays for installation be aware that permission or agreement from the other residents/owners may be needed, as well as agreement to how on-going electiricity costs are apportioned.

Get your ducks in a row before making a proposal. If your neighbors have a say, make sure your proposal is a win-win for you and for them.
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