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Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

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I was checking prices for flights this sommer and found that I could spend money (70CHF) flying from Geneva instead of from Zurich. At the end is the same flight with Swiss from/to Zurich with an extra flight Zurich<>Geneva. I don't understand how it can be cheaper.....


And now I have the question. In the return flight, what would happen if I just go out in the connection in Zurich? I think I would have problems with luggage... at least, but I don't know.

Have you ever tried that? Experiences?
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Re: Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

Often when flying intercontinental I leave from Milan (taking chance to visit my parents for a couple days) and save quite some chfs....
Next will be MXP-ZRH-GRU-ZRH-MXP, at time of booking price was 40% (!!) lower than the simple ZRH-GRU-ZRH with same flights.
If needed, on flight back I just check in both me and my luggage to ZRH...
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Re: Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

There is a lot of discussion on this subject on the Business Traveller Forum so have a look there as well.

Basically you have to complete each and every leg of the ticket booked otherwise the airline has the right to reprice the ticket and bill you accordingly. They can even cancel your membership and therefore frequent flyer miles if with them. That's the rule. However.....

In practice and if a once off chances are they will do nothing. Some people have done it multiple times without problem and a few have had to pay, especially it seems when booked via a travel agent.

Some also say to cancel the last leg by saying you're not well or some other good excuse also works.
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Personally despite the inconvenience I'd just fly the whole route and avoid any risk, especially if like me you have status with the airline and a high mileage balance.
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Re: Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

I don´t have any mileage card shit. So that is not a problem for me.

In my case. I would just avoid the last connection in the return flight. But I dont know what would happen with the big suitcase, that it would be loaded in the plane to geneva....
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...In the return flight, what would happen if I just go out in the connection in Zurich? I think I would have problems with luggage... at least, but I don't know.

Have you ever tried that? Experiences?
On the return flight, i have on a few occasions disembarked before the last leg. I requested the check in desk, and they cancelled the last leg and i got my luggage too.
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Re: Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

Given that you live in Zürich, and that at first you have to travel to Geneva how much would you actually save? Not worth the hassle and the extra hours needed if you ask me.

And it could be that they due to their own rules are demanded to get your luggage off, since a bunch of companies will not allow luggage to travel without its owner. I am not aware of your companies rulings on this.
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Basically you have to complete each and every leg of the ticket booked otherwise the airline has the right to reprice the ticket and bill you accordingly. They can even cancel your membership and therefore frequent flyer miles if with them. That's the rule. However.....

In practice and if a once off chances are they will do nothing. Some people have done it multiple times without problem and a few have had to pay, especially it seems when booked via a travel agent.
That's it in a nut shell.

A couple of points to make...

If you have checked-in luggage, you won't be able to retrieve it at ZRH if you've checked in to GVA (final stop).

If you've left the airport at ZRH without notifying anyone at the airline of this, and they waste valuable time putting a call out or searching for you, then you're more likely to get stung for this.

Airlines have every right to charge for any flight sequence that deviates from the fare construction as detailed on the itinerary. Usually this in the form of recalculating the fare and charging the credit card used to make the booking (check your cc bill). Many can/will also impose an ADM (additional monetary collection) which is basically a fine for breaking the published rules of the ticket.

With a multi flight itinerary booked on one ticket, it's worth reading
'Category 8: Stopover restrictions' for clarification. this will give a fair indication of how well your early curtailment of the itinerary will be received.

Lastly, business travellers can be the best, and also the worst source of finite feedback regarding such practices. Best in that they tend to travel far more frequently than the rest of us, so encounter scenarios more. Worst in that many of them have all their flights booked by a p.a. or appointed travel booker within their company, and these people manage the expenses and any additional charges to the point that the actual traveller may not be aware that they've done something which is incurring extra costs, until they 'cross a threshhold'.

With business travellers, it's the nominated travel management company that receive any ADMs imposed by airlines for breach of fare rules, and have to pass these on to corporate travel bookers. Just as an example, leaving the flight a stop early with BA would likely incur the fare being reassesed, any additional charge being made to the credit card used (which can be a centralised business lodge card) and an ADM for GBP250+ being sent to the travel management company. Often, the traveller's employer will ask for this to be challenged or waived, and depending on the relationship (buying power) between that company and the airline, some charges may be waived, so again, the traveller remains unaware of the charge their action has incurred. By 'buying power', I mean at the level when an airline mainly operates, and can sustain, a particular route with the business they receive from a single corporate client.

And breathe...
(Sorry for rambling on. Home alone, and full of a cold)
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Unaccompanied luggage must be offloaded. That's standard airline rules. That can cause an flight to miss it's slot, and trust me on this much, if that happens, they will come down on the passenger like a sack of poop. Luckily, many airlines will have already begun retreiving the passengers bags if they have to put a call out for them, so missing their slot is pretty rare. (Think how many times you've been sitting on a flight and watched the bags being loaded )
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Unaccompanied luggage must be offloaded. That's standard airline rules. That can cause an flight to miss it's slot, and trust me on this much, if that happens, they will come down on the passenger like a sack of poop. Luckily, many airlines will have already begun retreiving the passengers bags if they have to put a call out for them, so missing their slot is pretty rare. (Think how many times you've been sitting on a flight and watched the bags being loaded )
I have a friend who did that.

Had some troubl in security and didn't arrive at the gate until after boarding was complete. They came down on him like shit for being late and said they were already searching for his luggage. Well it turned out they couldn't find his luggage. That made them even more angry with him and they accused him of having done it on purpose. i don't know how a passenger can purposely make an airline lose luggage. But Lufthansa seems to think you can. So in the end they let him on the plane but they had missed the slot and had lost his luggage and treatd him like shit all through the flight.
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Re: Going out from the airport in the connection in Zurich

If you do actually try to do something like this, if it's a one off situation, I assume you could get away without any problem/fine if you come up with a good excuse.

But make sure:
- You ONLY check through your baggage until the point you intend to fly to. If you get off in GVA, but you checked it through all the way to ZH, you can expect to say goodbye to your baggage or do some serious explanation (most likely the latter).

When handing in your baggage, you could mention you're only checking in the baggage until there because your plans have changed/something urgent came up, this is where you need your excuse. Worst case, the flight attendant tells you that you're not allowed to do this.
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i don't know how a passenger can purposely make an airline lose luggage. But Lufthansa seems to think you can.
Awww... Please don't think I have an answer for everything, but I do have an answer for this one, and I'm sure there may be other possibilities too. A common cause of this is leaving the little barcode strips on your luggage from previous flights. Welcome to the wonderful World of automation!
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Unaccompanied luggage must be offloaded. That's standard airline rules. That can cause an flight to miss it's slot, and trust me on this much, if that happens, they will come down on the passenger like a sack of poop. Luckily, many airlines will have already begun retreiving the passengers bags if they have to put a call out for them, so missing their slot is pretty rare. (Think how many times you've been sitting on a flight and watched the bags being loaded )
Zurich to Geneva is national, and often the rules for this are easier on national flights.
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Zurich to Geneva is national, and often the rules for this are easier on national flights.
True. Swiss are phenomenally adept to the needs of business in this respect. Unfortunately, they're not the norm.
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Awww... Please don't think I have an answer for everything, but I do have an answer for this one, and I'm sure there may be other possibilities too. A common cause of this is leaving the little barcode strips on your luggage from previous flights. Welcome to the wonderful World of automation!
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I really don't understand why people do this. I guess they think it's some sort of souvenir but it's actually a great recipe to make sure your luggage almost never arrives in the same place you do.
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Zurich to Geneva is national.
Actually, it's not.

Meanwhile, my sister and her husband save USD 500 each by flying to Lugano rather than to Zurich (from Boston, round trip), despite having to change in Zurich.

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Actually, it's not.

Meanwhile, my sister and her husband save USD 500 each by flying to Lugano rather than to Zurich (from Boston, round trip), despite having to change in Zurich.

Tom
But is Lugano their final destination or do they then have to get the train back up to Zurich?
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I really don't understand why people do this. I guess they think it's some sort of souvenir but it's actually a great recipe to make sure your luggage almost never arrives in the same place you do.
Colleague of mine - way back - even ran around with that baggage tag (the big one)............... because he had been to Hong Kong...
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............... because he had been to Hong Kong...
Aww bless. And I bet nobody gave a damn where he'd been. I still love when people are a little bit proud (for want of a better word) of where they've travelled to. I don't care if it'sEdinburgh, Benidorm, Uzbekistan or Rio, I love their excitement for travel. It's the people who don't appreciate anything they experience and complain all the time that bug me.
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Awww... Please don't think I have an answer for everything, but I do have an answer for this one, and I'm sure there may be other possibilities too. A common cause of this is leaving the little barcode strips on your luggage from previous flights. Welcome to the wonderful World of automation!
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I have about 40 little barcode stickers on my suitcase and haven't had this problem yet. Have I just been lucky, or do they create a new barcode for each flight each time to avoid this issue? picture attached (how do i get pictures to sit in the body of the message, only by linking to web pics?)
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I have about 40 little barcode stickers on my suitcase and haven't had this problem yet. Have I just been lucky, or do they create a new barcode for each flight each time to avoid this issue? picture attached (how do i get pictures to sit in the body of the message, only by linking to web pics?)
Then you are one very lucky person. Yes, it is a new one as your date of flying, flight number, airline change
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