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emmeff 26.03.2018 10:49

Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Does anyone have experience of this? I want to transfer ownership of a vehicle between family members but also to hold onto the current plates, for reasons to do with hard-to-get registered parking spaces.

But the information on ge.ch, at least as far as I can see, talks only about the new owner receiving new plaques with the registration documents, and the prior owner returning the older plaques in due course.

Can both family members turn up at the counter, with the relinquishing owner handing in the plates and the new owner then receiving the same plates back?

roegner 26.03.2018 10:51

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
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Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2926994)
Does anyone have experience of this? I want to transfer ownership of a vehicle between family members but also to hold onto the current plates, for reasons to do with hard-to-get registered parking spaces.

But the information on ge.ch, at least as far as I can see, talks only about the new owner receiving new plaques with the registration documents, and the prior owner returning the older plaques in due course.

Can both family members turn up at the counter, with the relinquishing owner handing in the plates and the new owner then receiving the same plates back?

Not sure I understand, do you want to keep the plates or not?

aSwissInTheUS 26.03.2018 10:57

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Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2926994)
I want to transfer ownership of a vehicle between family members but also to hold onto the current plates, for reasons to do with hard-to-get registered parking spaces.

Are you sure that this works according to contract of the parking space? One would assume this is tied to the registered holder, owner, or main user of the vehicle. Same plate but different holder, owner, and main user might be against the rules.

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2926997)
Not sure I understand, do you want to keep the plates or not?

He wants do transfer the plates to a family member. This is possible in most cantons. Question is if this is also possible in GE. Do you know or have any experience roegner?

emmeff 26.03.2018 10:57

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Yes, I want to keep the same plates.

As I understand things, the relinquishing owner must hand in the plates, as per the section you have highlighted. Is this not necessary?

roegner 26.03.2018 11:04

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
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Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2926999)
Yes, I want to keep the same plates.

As I understand things, the relinquishing owner must hand in the plates, as per the section you have highlighted. Is this not necessary?

In ZH and SH you keep the plates. Afaik in Switzerland the plates are linked to the owner, not to the car

emmeff 26.03.2018 11:12

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2927001)
Afaik in Switzerland the plates are linked to the owner, not to the car

Well, that is consistent with my understanding as expressed in my earlier posts. Plates go with the person and not the vehicle.

To be more specific -- my partner (civil partnership, not a marriage, so a further complication under Swiss law) is the current owner of the vehicle. She rarely uses the car whereas I use it constantly, including for cross-border travel. We live in the same apartment.

All things considered, and rather than carrying a letter of permission from my partner for cross-border travel, I wish to take on the ownership and maintenance of the vehicle. But if I have to take on new plates, that means further rounds of corre$pondence with the régie and the Fondations des Parkings for an atte$tation to prove the residential address to justify a new parking macaron for the district, with street parking fees in the interim.

Belgianmum 26.03.2018 11:13

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Do you want to park the same car in the same parking space with the same numberplates?

Edit: forget that, you already answered in your post above.


Your best bet is to go along to the registration place in GE and ask them.

aSwissInTheUS 26.03.2018 11:15

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2927001)
In ZH and SH you keep the plates. Afaik in Switzerland the plates are linked to the owner, not to the car

:rolleyes: roegner please....

In ZH and SH you can transfer the plate to a family member.
https://stva.zh.ch/dam/sicherheitsdi...KSAB201703.pdf

https://www.sh.ch/fileadmin/Redaktor...rabtretung.pdf

emmeff 26.03.2018 11:22

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2927008)
:rolleyes: roegner please....

In ZH and SH you can transfer the plate to a family member.
https://stva.zh.ch/dam/sicherheitsdi...KSAB201703.pdf

https://www.sh.ch/fileadmin/Redaktor...rabtretung.pdf

Thanks for that. As the concept is not unknown in CH, I will hope the same is possible in GE.

I will ask at the canton and report back.

aSwissInTheUS 26.03.2018 11:23

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Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2927006)
To be more specific -- my partner (civil partnership, not a marriage, so a further complication under Swiss law) is the current owner of the vehicle. She rarely uses the car whereas I use it constantly, including for cross-border travel. We live in the same apartment.

Here the form for Geneva:
http://ge.ch/vehicules/sites/siteoff...le-plaques.pdf

Be aware that the person listed in the papers is the holder of the vehicle. This might or might not be the same person as the actual owner. Just in case your partner wants to remain the owner of the vehicle.

"civil partnership" means same sex registered partnership? Then it should fall under the "conjoint" clause. Otherwise a transfer might not be possible.

emmeff 26.03.2018 11:45

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2927016)
Here the form for Geneva:
http://ge.ch/vehicules/sites/siteoff...le-plaques.pdf

Perfect! Thanks very much, aSwissInTheUS. (Although, as with many, many searches on the ge.ch website, the link above is dead. But with the name of the file I was able to find the formulaire, which is currently here:

https://www.ge.ch/document/conducteu...nnelle-plaques

"civil partnership" means same sex registered partnership? Then it should fall under the "conjoint" clause. Otherwise a transfer might not be possible.

Not a same-sex relationship in this case, although it makes no difference as the civil partnership we have was registered under a system originally designed to give same-sex relationships legal status in our home territory.

Thanks again, and thanks to all in this thread.

st2lemans 26.03.2018 12:18

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Originally Posted by roegner (Post 2927001)
In ZH and SH you keep the plates.

If you put them on a new vehicle, otherwise you hand them in (and they will hold them for you for up to a year, more if you pay extra). ;)

Tom

st2lemans 26.03.2018 12:23

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Why bother? :confused:

Just keep it in her name.

All of our cars are registered in my name (even before we were married), though most belong to my wife, and she in turn normally only uses one of them, and I all of them.

Tom

Anjela 26.03.2018 13:30

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
We have transfered ownership of several vehicles from one family member to another over the years in Geneva, and been able to retain the original plates with the car.
Just both turn at at the counter of the Service des Automobiles in Carouge with the car's Carte Grise and your inividual IDs.

Verbier 26.03.2018 15:31

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Here is the PDF form you need to both sign (plus other details about ID etc.). Details about "conjoint" are on page two of the PDF so it looks ok. I would take along any official documents about your civil arrangement as well.

http://ge.ch/vehicules/sites/siteoff...le-plaques.pdf

Here is the text and link that gets you to the above PDF (in case you want to look at it).

"En principe, en Suisse, les plaques suivent le détenteur et non le véhicule.
Mais une cession exceptionnelle de plaque est possible dans certains cas, exhaustivement listés au dos de la formule "cession exceptionnelle de plaques", disponible sous la rubrique "Formulaires"."


Link: http://ge.ch/vehicules/faq/immatricu...plaques#t3n439

emmeff 15.04.2018 14:02

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Well, it turns out that 'conjoint' (the word used on the formulaire 'cession exceptionnelle' at the link above) does not -- in Geneva at least -- cover the same range of relationships that it does elsewhere in the world. As we are not married, with a ring and a certificate, we could not transfer the plates.

This was explained with great dramatic flourish ('Ce n'est pas possible! CE. N'EST. PAS. POSSIBLE!!') by the fonctionnaire at the SCV.

I don't know if it would be 'possible' with a PAC from GE, but we are not interested in that.

Very annoying, as we have to go through all the hoops and the expense of gathering documents to apply for a new parking macaron. I'm tempted to simply re-transfer the car registration back to my partner and so keep the old plates. It would be much cheaper and much less time-consuming than getting a new macaron. Plus the old plates have a cute and quirky combination of numbers, for which I hold some sentiment.

Thanks to all for input into this thread.

st2lemans 15.04.2018 14:05

Re: Transfer plaques d'immatriculation (GE) to family member
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2934953)
Well, it turns out that 'conjoint' (the word used on the formulaire 'cession exceptionnelle' at the link above) does not -- in Geneva at least -- cover the same range of relationships that it does elsewhere in the world. As we are not married, with a ring and a certificate, we could not transfer the plates.

That's what it means anywhere in Switzerland, and most countries that I am aware of (married or other LEGALLY recognized situation, such as same-sex registered partnership). :rolleyes:

Tom

emmeff 15.04.2018 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2934955)
[...] and most countries that I am aware of (married or other LEGALLY recognized situation, such as same-sex registered partnership). :rolleyes:

Well, if you have surveyed how this concept applies across the globe then I must yield to that study. However, anecdotal accounts and a quick online check in the lead up to this attempt suggested to me otherwise, and that de facto relationships are recognised as 'conjoint' in many places.

Also, Swiss authorities in general do not recognise civil partnerships arranged in other countries, which is simply perverse. (And yet the DFAE will issue a CdL for a 'concubin/concubine' of a partner of an employee of an international organisation, which adds to the irrationality.)

Also, in other jurisdictions the plates go with the vehicle, and so the relationship between the parties transferring registration is immaterial.

aSwissInTheUS 15.04.2018 14:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emmeff (Post 2934973)
Also, Swiss authorities in general do not recognise civil partnerships arranged in other countries, which is simply perverse. (And yet the DFAE will issue a CdL for a 'concubin/concubine' of a partner of an employee of an international organisation, which adds to the irrationality.)

:confused: You also can get a "family reunification" permit https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home...rmalities.html for your cohabiting partner. But in the end only marriage counts for non-same sex couples.

There are more instances were married and non-married couples do not have the same rights and obligations. It is how it is. And I think how it is, is rather good (I am not married btw.)

If you want the additional rights a married couple gets, than no one is hindering you. Simply go to the town hall and make it official. No need for an ring, church, cake, party, or what's not.

But I assume there are reason why you are not married. Like because marriage will have some drawbacks which you rather not like to have. See that is the thing with the having the cake and eating it. You can not have both. You have to walk the walk if you want to go were the married couple privileges are.

Verbier 15.04.2018 17:59

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Originally Posted by aSwissInTheUS (Post 2934982)
:confused: You also can get a "family reunification" permit https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home...rmalities.html for your cohabiting partner. But in the end only marriage counts for non-same sex couples.

There are more instances were married and non-married couples do not have the same rights and obligations. It is how it is. And I think how it is, is rather good (I am not married btw.)

If you want the additional rights a married couple gets, than no one is hindering you. Simply go to the town hall and make it official. No need for an ring, church, cake, party, or what's not.

But I assume there are reason why you are not married. Like because marriage will have some drawbacks which you rather not like to have. See that is the thing with the having the cake and eating it. You can not have both. You have to walk the walk if you want to go were the married couple privileges are.

Frankly, I think you are being a bit hard on the OP. First of all, he actually came back and said what happened (so someone else can benefit from the information). As you all know, this happens in < 10% of cases - so bravo.

When you see the list of who you can transfer the plates to: parents, children, grand-children, sisters and brothers, children of a "conjoint" and in and out of a company. Not exactly a restrictive list. I personally think the GVA people could have been a bit more understanding.

The OP (if I am reading correctly) is registered elsewhere but CH does not recognize it. So be it. I doubt that he needs a lecture on the benefits of being married. :msnsarcastic:

Anyhow, my input for the day.


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